No, that’s not my view, but it is the view of one in seven Americans, and one in four Republican voters, according to a Harris Poll. That’s not “Antichrist” in the sense of a political pejorative, but “Antichrist” in the literal sense of the diabolical being prophesied in the Book of Revelation.
Any comment seems superfluous, but feel free to do so anyway.
No, I’m the anit-Christ and so is my wife.
Sorry, anti-chrisp.
Sorry, sorry I meant atni-Chirts
Silly me! I thought it was Napoleon, Hitler and Osama Bin Laden. Guess I got that wrong, didn’t I?
There’s a bit of a problem thinking anyone is the Antichrist. It assumes Jesus was more significant than he was.
And what on earth would they think of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
Hmmm. Paul, if one believed in a literal anti–christ, methinks you would have to be far more significant than Obama has shown himself so far in order to come anywhere near the influence on art, philosophy, history, politics, literature, etc that Jesus has had…
A lot of ‘em thought that JFK was the anti-christ. The proof? He got 666 votes at the Democratic Party convention in 1960.
I know you’re referring to Apollyon, Hister and Mabus, Paul. The alleged antichrists from Nostradamus if i recall correctly. I always thought of Mabus as Saddam.
I thought he was Stalin. Or Hitler.
And in other poll news, 22 per cent of Australians think witches exist, 41 per cent believe in astrology, and 34% believe in UFOs.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/god-is-still-tops-but-angels-rate-well-20091218-l5v9.html
Ask a stupid question designed to provide an easy shock, horror headline – and there are very few stupider than “Obama may be the Antichrist yes/no?” – then you’ll get a stupid answer, is all tha this shows.
haha, according to that poll wozza links to, only 37% of Australians believe in Hell at all, let alone the antichrist.
Wozza, there is a clear difference between believing a specific, currently active human being is the antichrist, and believing in the antichrist.
This is like saying 14% of Australians believe Keating or Fraser (or the Governor General!) is the antichrist. You don’t seriously think that such a view is possible, do you?
Exactly Wozza. How many people respond to those things just to take the piss?
“PAU, NAY, LORON.”
That was how Nostrils Damus described the first antichrist in his writings.
What an extraordinary coincidence, PAUL NORTON!
(i shall say no more but let other readers draw their own conclusions)
Wozza said:
Witch bank to they put their money into?
Sadly, they have been rejected mostly from Dancing With the Stars
Doesn’t everyone agree that there are unidentified flying objects? Just the other night I saw some on Channel 10 news and nobody could say what they were with any certainty. That sounds pretty unidentified to me.
If there’s one thing worse than being the antichrist it is being a secret Muslim. Apparently many Americans believe this of Obama.
Of course, if he were an open Muslim, this would be even worse, although apparently, being an open atheist would be even worse than that.
Compared to being an atheist, believing in witches and anti-christs is obviously pretty good.
The confusing part though is that if you beleive he is the anti-christ, wouldn’t that be something to celebrate? I mean, if you’re a god-fearing
cretinsorry Christian and you think Judgement Day is at hand, wouldn’t you be rapt at the likely results?I mean, who cares if he is going to tax you at 100% and introduce socialistic nihilistic atheistic islamo-fascist UFO-derived communism if god is going to leave all your worldly possessions behind and spirit you off to the next life where you get to be with all of your fellow saved ones? Thank god for Obama, surely?
“wouldn’t you be rapt”
I sniggered.
With me lips.
bangs head against the table repeatedly. stops. feels better.
I was trying to persuade Daggett, on the late great Thread of Doom, that Obama is obviously the Antichrist, and as such must have been behind 9/11.
I feel vindicated now.
Moderated, eh?
Is it the word ‘D@ggett’ that automatically triggers moderation, I wonder? Can’t imagine why that would be.
Paul why do you hate America?
I thought it was John Lydon
Obama? I thought the antichrist was Sam Neill. I’m really not up with current events, am I?
Key word is ONLINE POLL. I wouldn’t trust that statistic for a second. Are the people on this forum too stupid to understand that this is not how you collect accurate data or are you just so eager to jump on the anti-american bandwagon you don’t care?
Note how it says the survey was done by “Harris Interactive, a market research firm”? Its pretty bloody obvious what they’ve done. The PR department has said “wow how can we get lots of media coverage? I know, lets put the most ridiculous poll online that will draw every single troll who gets wind of it. Then we’ll ask them if they’re republican, and then for the ones that say they are, we can release a statement to the world’s media saying how Harris Interactive has discovered the x number of republicans think obama is the antichrist.” Its all a bloody PR stunt.
Hehe from me @19 see bruce @ 22.
yes and yes bruce@22. This has been a trap to bring in a man of wisdom and you have finally arrived. What of the future bruce? What is your plan?
Bruce: yes – it’s an online poll, and is unreliable by default. Personally, I think most Americans are horrified or contemptuous of anybody who thinks Obama is the Antichrist.
Never the less, the Republicans tried out the meme in an election ad in 2008. It may be fringe thinking, but its not that fringe.
“Are the people on this forum too stupid to understand that this is not how you collect accurate data or are you just so eager to jump on the anti-american bandwagon you don’t care?”
Oh please Bruce, as if. If you knew anything at all you would know that we are actually waiting for Japerz come pull our wings off.
And a hex on you all.
What? Obama the antichrist. I didn’t know he was related to the Bush family.
Anthony @28, how many of them can there be?
Bin Laden, Bush, Obama, who else?
Does religion allow for several antichrists at the one time, or do we have to choose?
No I think we have to demote some of them to mere footsoldiers Elise, or perhaps Nephilim. Let me consult my Milton, I am sure there is a hierarchy involved, there always is.
Gaddafi and Saddam (as Senexx says@8) are all included in any antichrist book, Elise@29.
It’s pretty neat that the latter still draws good money even from the grave. The antichrist label was used against him as propaganda to invade Iraq and it still sticks.
joe2 @31, we can’t include Saddam as a current antichrist.
Perhaps he gets the honours for the penultimate antichrist?
How many of them are we allowed, before the world ends?
So err….from the annals of Equal Opportunity Bigotry, how come an antiKrishna or an antiBuddha or an antiMohammed hasn’t triple-sixed target devotees?
@ 22 An online poll, you say?
I take it then that the multiple-choice answers were:
a) Iz it can be Antikwist tiem nao?
b) Antichrist Obama is Antichrist.
c) The antichrist is a global conspiracy of ivory-tower elites on a gravy train!1!!1!! Wake up America!!!!1!!
I suspect its not an online poll in the same category as the ones used by our MSM.
Like the the current one over at the OO which has about 80% of its respondents blaming Rudd for something or other.
I understand the Harris poll might be a tad more sophisticated affair than just asking a question of random respondents.
This is from the article:
“The sample of people was selected from among roughly 4 million people who agreed to participate in Harris Interactive surveys and are given “modest incentives,” according to Harris. The results were then weighted to reflect the composition of the U.S. adult population. [Infographic Compares Views]”
This poll may be a trifle more authorative than we wpuld like to admit.
After all there are a lot of nutters out there [pointing thataways].
None here, of course.
We all miss the days when the US president’s opponents were guided by reason.
*Sigh*
And what sort of person or blog site would link the US president with the anti-Christ?
I mean, I ask you.
Believe in witches? I’ve seen Fiona Horne.
“Does religion allow for several antichrists at the one time, or do we have to choose?”
What do you think dancing with the stars and American idol are leading up to?
“Dancing with the Idolchrist” anyone?
The last ABS Census tells us that more than 70% of Australians believe in some sort of higher power – eg. fairies in the garden, et al.
That worries me more than some half-arsed interent poll which anybody with a well developed sense of humour would have answered that Obiwan is The Antichrist.
Elise: antichrist persona now subject of sub-contracting. Check your roof insulation.
For solutions see not Where’s Wally but Where’s Willard? Published by Kurtz Inc. registered in Belgium c/o Po BOX 666 Rwanda.
I didn’t notice a ‘belief’ question in the census.
Spartacus is the Antichrist!
Spartacus the Antichrist?
That makes the Spartacists the Antichristists!
“How many of them are we allowed, before the world ends?”
Only as many as you feel comfortable with, I would say, Elise@32.
I say he’s the Anti-Christ and I should know, I’ve followed a few!
How could President Obama be anything other than the Anti-Christ? After all, look what his Christian, oops sorry, given name means. I meantersay, what good Jew would have such a name? As for any serious Christian – well, why get into such unpleasant company?????
Mercurius @ 34 — teh lolkittehs iz not dum. Kittehs haz branes. Remove from list of dummehs pls.
Moderated!
Was it my language?
Deepest apologies – especially given the reminder tutorial elsewhere – but it is ages since I’ve done html. So here are the links and if they don’t work my even deeper than deepest apologies:
The Muslim version: http://wiki.name.com/en/Barack
The Jewish version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch
The Christian version: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Benedict
I’ve changed my mind. Barnaby Joyce is the Anti-Christ.
It appears that George Brandis thinks Julia Gillard is the Anti-Christ. She slices! She dices!
I thought the Ant-Christ was supposed to be really smart, though.
*mental image of the Ant-Christ carrying his tiny cross*
Elise @29: “Does religion allow for several antichrists at the one time, or do we have to choose?”
I thought that the Antichrist’s name was Legion, and that a Roman legion had about 6000 names.
Is there a prize for collecting the full set?
I have an Aunty Christ.
She came to stay with us every now and then. My Mum didn’t trust her, but because she was Dad’s sister, Mum had to put up with it.
Sometimes Aunty Christ would walk me to school. St Joseph’s Catholic primary school. I used to wonder what the nuns would think, Aunty Christ bringing me to school. I used to imagine that an angel might appear above the gate, wreathed in flame, shouting “Back, Aunty, back!” Then I used to think, are angels related to my Aunty, too?
That made me feel special.
Now there are some sceptics upline in this thread suggesting that human belief in angels, gods and Aunty Christs is somehow limited and gullible.
Can’t you see you’re all very damaged? I know, because my Aunty is Christ.
Of course he is the Antichrist. His slogan of “Yes we can” uses the occult technique of reverse language to get his audience to praise Satan.
I am sure that if you parse the recent health care bill carefully you will find evidence of coded Satanic language.
lithophyte, an aunty christ is far better than a nanageddon.
I don’t know what those Republican chiliasts are worried about.
If you live in a trailer park, wear polyester and eat mainly corn syrup you are already in hell.
Perhaps a bit late, but …
No, I’m the Antichrist!
I came across a pamphlet in the early 1990′s, put out by some wacky religious organisation, that said each succcessive Pope was the Anti-Christ. It went into great detail about all the signs, such as the bent cross he carries, that point to the Catholic church being involved in some bullshit Anti-Christ conspiracy. If people are stupid enough, they can come up with anything.
Phillip,
That one has been going on since Luther. They also reckon he’s the Whore of Babylon. (Or maybe that’s the city of Rome.) I haven’t read too many of these diatribes in translation, or, in England in the original. Early American Puritanism is big on this stuff, too. and given that anti-Catholicism via the Quebec Act, was a direct cause of the American Revolution, I’m surprised these guys haven’t accued Obama of being either a secret Catholic or an atheist. Still, they pobably see the fact that he’s he’s black as justifying their bigotry
The right accuse Obama of beng the anti-christ. They should worry more about all those anti-trust investigations coming down the line….
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-26/jpmorgan-lehman-ubs-named-in-bid-rigging-conspiracy-update1-.html
Ewe2 @ 50. Do you think Barnaby has the wit to be the anti-christ?
I recall that George W Bush rang Nicholas Sarkozy one night and started telling him how Gog and Magog were getting together, and that this would be the end of the world (unless we moved into Iraq and took control of their oil). But I saw Gog and Magog together in the Royal Arcade in Melbourne last weekend, and they seemed quite happy.
Gog and Magog were/are the tutelary spirits of London. Seriously piss them off and England goes down the tube and London is no more. It was obviously a Franco-American plot to get one over Tony Blair.
Phillip, Paul.
Im sure youve seen them before, but you might be thinking of Jack Chicks’ famous series.
The Catholic Church
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp
My all time favourite.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp
Another darstardly catholic one
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp
Actually im suprised there isnt a “barack Obama antichrist” one in the series yet…
BTW, the comics themselves are self mocking, if you havent seen them before then go through the series and see how many times you are supposed to go to hell….
Its funny, except some people swear by them.
Mole, I hadn’t seen them before. They’re very boring.
Paul Burns
Must be perverse senseof humour then. The ending is usualy the same go to hell or saved.
I love the ones that basicaly say “it doesnt matter if you spend your whole life doing good, you will still go to hell if you dont say the right thing”…
Creepy, but funny.
I like ‘em Mole.
They are primary evidence of the fact that the religious right is self-defeating and therefore self-limiting.
And I can’t get enough literature on the mystery of transubstantiation. Maybe someone from the Catallaxy stable might give us the good oil on this fascinating topic.
I’ve never found prosletysing Christian tracts an exciting read, Mole. As for their anti-Catholicism, its pretty pointless. That sort of thing had disappeared from almost evewrywhere relevant by about the late 1950s. Which puts this fundamentalist fool about seventy years behind the times.
I dunno, Paul Burns, aren’t Dan Brown’s novels based on similar ideas?
No, not really, Chookie. He pinched the idea of the Da Vinci Code from some french writers who were writing about the Templars in the 1970s I think. I can’t remember the name of the book, but the whole original phenomenon was based upon a modern day fraud meant to entrap tourists to Languedoc, I gather. The survivor behind the con admitted the truth a couple of years ago.
As for Angels and Demons I have neither read it nor seen the movie. Having been brought up a Catholic I’m well aware there was a deep antigonism towards Freemasonry as an aspect of the heresy of Modernism (ie, anything to do with the Enlightenment.) Whether that animosity was felt on the Freemasons’ side, as Catholics used to allege, I have no idea.
Katz
You got it, Paul seems to want to analise insanity rather than laugh at it.
When it comes to fundies, Mole, wherever possible, I try to pretend they don’t exist.
Apparently the reworked tv serios ‘V’ is being interpreted by many americans as an anti Obama narrative.
Oh, and I could be wrong but i’ve heard it claimed jack Chick is the worlds most published author (?). Terrified the hell out of/into me as a child. AS an illustrator, though, some of his work is right up there.
@ 72
Well Paul, my maternal grandfather was a Mason. And a Catholic. So unless he was a self-hating Mason, I think not. Then again, he also used to bring my paternal grandfather, a Jew, to his Freemason meetings. I suspect the Masons of 1960s Newcastle were more eclectic than some…
Merc,
Apparently this is not as an unusual phenomenon as I thought when I was very young. I recall some years ago reading David Yallop’s book on the assassination of John Paul I, and being quite surprised to hear of the Italian Catholic Masonic group, P2. I can’t remember exactly what their connection was in the whole peculiar saga – I think they had some relationship with to the Vatican Bank, the parlous financial state of which, given JP1 intended to investigate it, Yallop claimed, was one of the motives for his assassination. Hope I’ve got that right. Its a very long time since I’ve read the book.
Considering most people who say ‘yes’ to this question would subscribe to pre-Tribulation Rapture, that means that those same voters also think they have missed the Rapture. Oops.
“27 percent say he does what Wall Street and the bankers tell him to do.”
And the problem with this statement is…
P2 was a bit of a nexus for fascists and criminals iirc. I think their vatican connection was thru paul markinus (sp?) a Chicago cardinal who apparantly/allegedly used the vatican bank to launder money for a whole bunch of people, including a few p2 members.
I think berlusconi was a member of P2 as well.
There is other assorted nastiness associated with p2 as well tho I can’t be bothered trying to remember it all.
Thanks, jules.