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10 responses to “Hot and cold – perturbations from on high and perhaps missing heat below”

  1. ewe2

    Just saw the weatherman on Sunrise Today referring to this very report with a pro-warming message. Colour me shocked.

  2. BilB

    Well there is certainly something going on. Your usual thoroughly interesting production. I would like to see a lot more visualisations of the air flow systems top to bottom coming from NASA or the met offices. Or at least what they believe to be going on. By far the best surface level visualisation is the SBS weather globe, albeit far too brief. That visualisation patched together for a whole year would be absolutely fascinating. We need to be seeing the full sectioned circulation surface to stratosphere.

  3. MarkL

    Oh, please.

    The Reuters report states breathlessly that “[t]he National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported on Thursday the world’s combined land and ocean surface temperatures in March were the hottest on record.”

    Oh really? Would that be the same March where NOAA claimed that the polar regions were on fire, yet satellite footage shows that polar sea ice reached at or near its 1970-2001 average in March – thus meaning that the claims of record high temperatures in the polar regions are ludicrous? (Of course, Drudge Report ratehr snarkily links to Vostok, Antarctica, where the temperature, less wind chill, is a balmy minus 103 degrees farenheit. With wind chill taking it to -143F…)

    And do take a look at the March map from NASA-GISS – showing the polar regions on fire in blazing, emotive reds and numerous hot spots around the globe.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kMs_q1g_CmQ/S8s3u_nbVnI/AAAAAAAAE88/XjYUyecvHrY/s1600/Iceland+hotspot.gif http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kMs_q1g_CmQ/S8s3u_nbVnI/AAAAAAAAE88/XjYUyecvHrY/s1600/Iceland+hotspot.gif

    On the above map, take a careful look at Iceland – shown in red as described and as “experiencing an extremely hot March”. Climate Audit dug through the figures and found:

    GISS station values are even more spectacular, the warmest March on record is set in every Finnish station GISS is following. For instance, according to GISS, the mean March temperature in Sodankylä (61402836000) was a remarkable +1.5 °C beating the old record (-2.2 °C) from 1920 by 3.7 °C!

    Well, according to the Finnish Meteorological Institute, March 2010 was colder than usual all over Finland, especially in the northern part. For instance, the mean temperature in Sodankylä was -10.3 °C, which is almost three degrees below the base period 1971-2000 average (-7.5 °C). So the GISS March value for Sodankylä is off by amazing 11.8 °C!

    So NASA is misreporting the temperature at that station in Iceland by 11.8 degrees C.

    That is not a mistake.

    That is fraud.

    Check the real data. Do not believe spin-doctors and AGW marketers. It is now within your ability to do so.

    We have known for some time that the surface data temperature being propounded by the major players in the AGW field are untrustworthy in the extreme, and that the station data sets have been tampered with. Yes, it is tampering whan ALL of the data sets show ‘adjustments’ only in the positive, with no justifications for those ‘adjustments’.

    MarkL
    Canberra

  4. Blair

    You’re comparing the actual from Brisbane City against the averages from Brisbane Airport, which is a bit cooler in summer, being closer to the ocean. Of the longer-term sites in the area Amberley was 0.3 above normal, Brisbane Airport 0.1 below and Cape Moreton 1.2 above.

    No-one looking at these maps will be surprised to learn that Canada had their warmest winter on record. Haven’t seen March rankings from there yet.

  5. Brian

    Oops, Blair, thanks for that. As to my adapting, I do think that the summers in recent years have been a little less humid than they used to be.

    BilB, a top to bottom visualisation would be interesting, but the decadal variations are the real intrigue.

    To complete the picture you need an ocean circulation model. My understanding of what happens at depth is very limited.

    I’d like to thank John D for sending me a couple of links which I might have missed and which were very timely. They caused me to write the post in a very different way. It ended up being material for at least three posts, but I thought there was value in wrapping all the topics together.

  6. Brian

    MarkL @ 3, we don’t like to get involved in Climate Audit’s obsessions on this blog. Yes, it looks bad, but if there is a problem I’m sure it will be sorted out between the Finnish Meteorological Institute and NASA GISS. No doubt they’ll be conscious that their emails might appear on the front page of the newspapers.

    As a non-scientist I’d make these observations.

    Finland covers 338,424 square kilometers. That’s about one 1500th of the earth’s surface or 0.067%. A stuff-up on Finland is not going to alter the overall result.

    I don’t know how the map you linked to is generated, but the three month map (top left of Figure 1 in the post) colours Finland blue.

    If you were going to indulge in fraud why would you insert hot spots that make little difference and which stick out like the proverbial dog’s appendages? It would be a case of Dumb and Dumber.

    On the Arctic sea ice, you obviously didn’t read the post. The volume decline is ultimately more significant than the surface area. Much of the ice has been described as “rotten”. It’s not in good shape.

  7. MarkL

    Brian, two things.

    Firstly, interesting just how long a post which did not concur with your assessments stayed in moderation – and hence invisible.

    Secondly, the term ‘rotten ice’ has no actual meaning in ice navigation (yes, I have been in ice waters). First year ice is not ‘rotten’. It’s just first year ice. You may not know that first year ice can be thicker than older ice. It merely depends on how much is has been compressed into icefields by wind and current. Newer ice, being thinner, concertinas over itself into icefields quite easily. Older, thicker floes tend not to do this.

    So I did read your post: I just know it to be incompletely factual.

    Finally, are you actually aware of the systematic corruption of the data in land-side data records?

    MarkL
    Canberra

  8. Brian

    Firstly, interesting just how long a post which did not concur with your assessments stayed in moderation – and hence invisible.

    The reason is not interesting at all, MarkL, so boring in fact that I’m not going to spend any time on it. However, my usual practice when a comment is released upthread is to make a comment drawing attention to it, which I did. My memory is that it slid down the sidebar fairly rapidly, something I obviously can’t control.

    I didn’t make the “rotten” comment up. I think what I saw was a derivative of this news release.

    Here’s another report which includes this comment:

    New ice can grow to five feet thick in one winter, but it is also more vulnerable to melting than multi-year ice.

    We’ll just have to wait and see how it all works out. I tend to think that the volume decline is of most significance, but I’ve always understood the volume of the Arctic sheet was not well measured.

    Furthermore. Watts Up With That? reckoned the winter sea ice, as in Figure 4, was approaching “normal”. The 1979-200 average already incorporates a fair bit of decline if you compare it with 50 years earlier.

    On temperature data, I’m aware that measurements are systematically normalised. If something happened in Finland that went beyond that I’m sure it will get sorted.

  9. Blair

    The monthly map from the U.S. National Climatic Data Center shows below-normal temperatures in the far north of Finland and a blank over the rest of the country, which suggests something went wrong with the Finnish reports and NCDC’s quality control procedures picked it up. NCDC had March as the warmest on record too.

    Believe it or not, some of us take climate data quality control pretty seriously. I should know – I spent a fair bit of a public holiday Monday yesterday trawling 100 years of historical data from Thargomindah and Tibooburra for possible errors.

  10. Brian

    Blair, I know how hard you guys work, and do the best you can in a difficult area. This was explained in some detail by you and Roger Jones on another thread. We shouldn’t need to go over all that territory again.

    It’s disappointing when people still grab a bit of data and make allegations of fraud.