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17 responses to “The contest between Gillardism and Abbottism”

  1. paul walter

    Am tempted to do a little unpick of the fifth para, but that in itself would illustrate just the point Mark makes about what is “in the eye of the beholder”. So its good post, at this stage of our election event; “20/20″only comes in retrospect, the morning after.

  2. nasking

    Julia needs to come up to QLD & convince Anna Bligh to backoff on the “privatisation”.

    She can convince her I reckon. Win some more votes.

    N’

  3. Jenny

    It had seemed to me that ALP-Rudd had led us superbly through a difficult time and deserved to be comfortably returned for another term. And I had thought Abbott was an unelectable, nasty, superficial, little attack poodle.

    Then suddenly I awoke to discover that Gillard had turfed out Rudd and Abbott was making serious headway with foolish whinging about debt and stimulus spending. And Gillard was telling us it’s alright to carry on like dickheads about a pitifully small number of boat people. And that the rugby states were apparently as mad as cut snakes at the ALP but nobody seemed to know why. And that the non-rugby states had ceased to matter very much.

    I feel depressed, disenfranchised and confused.

  4. Fran Barlow

    While I agree Jenny that the idea of dumping Rudd was mad, especially from a getting the government re-elected POV, and that JG ought to have seen the danger and simply refused to have a bar of it — perhaps suggesting instead that they put RSPT onto effective hold and had more consultation on the “framework” as “there’s no rush and we have to get this right”.

    The dumping of action on Climate Change was the real start of Rudd’s decline because he trashed his own brand. This, along with his “we are going to get get a whacking in the polls” meme really hurt him and provided the opening to the Opposition. So too did his failure to defend the BER or home insulation from slander when these matters were first raised.

    His action on trying to match the opposition on border security when there was simply no way in practice he could do so. Forget the ethics — he was never going to win that one politically. He needed to put the argument that this was no big deal — that in fact, “we Australians are generous to those in need and if the opposition wants a nastier and more brutish Australia, then that is a matter for them”.

    These actions made him into a stationary target who was daring people to dump on him — legitimising it even. I recall his departure speech — possibly the best of his whole term of office and I found myself wondering why, despite all the talk of spin, he hadn’t begun making parts of it 12-15 months earlier. Had he done so, he’d have kept his brand as conviction politician. He’d probably have bee impregnable because the people who voted for him in 2007 would have had the person they hoped they’d get.

  5. paul walter

    Yes Fran, that’s what I’d hoped for, too.
    The 2007 policy raft was attainable, contra the nonsenses of the Murdoch press, as you say.
    But for the shrill tone of the opposition and rightist meeja, they might have stayed on track, certainly with the asylum seeker issue.
    Vested interests outside of the reformists also not involved in the asylum-seeker discussion, also had the ears of some in labor, as to the threat of genuine ecological reform not amicable to previous cosy arrangements.
    Whatever happens with the election, the NSW right needs to be put firmly back in its box.

  6. Terry

    The pink batts scam was when the rot set in. The idea that four people died because of an act of public policy is pretty unprecedented.

  7. paul walter

    Sorry Nasking, I would love to answer your point, but remain unable to answer objectively, through anger.

  8. patrickg

    what she stands for is not really the same thing as traditional Labor social democracy – the emphasis is more on equalising opportunity than remedying inequality.

    And I think that is just a god-damned shame – almost a disgrace – when there is so much of the former going around.

  9. adrian

    I know how you feel Jenny.

    It’s as though Labor started to believe that the Murdoch view of the world was reality.

  10. paul walter

    Which reminds me.
    Jenny, the rugby states are not “mad as cut snakes” at labor, “but no body seems to know why”.
    Naskings’ point alludes to the clear cut reason for resentment in these two states when policies presented for privatisation were clearly rejected ( particularly badly, for the oppositions, who were at least upfront in their pursuit of this eco rationalist nonsense).
    A solemn promise to abide by the peoples view was immediately jettisoned- by labor- after both recent state elections.
    In my mind, both of these so called labor governments have been bloody disgraceful on this specific issue and a Labor federal government and therefore the country, is jeopradised because of the arrogance and selfishness of people like Bligh and Costa.
    Can you imagine how much easier it could have been for Gillard, if Bligh had kept the public’s respect instead of snubbing it for a piece of bad faith lunacy?
    The NSW problem has been about for ages and the lack of action since Costa as to reform of NSW labor, has also led to questions reflecting back to federal labor, as to sincerity.

  11. Fine

    Mark, “But it’s easier to make political decisions based on self interest when your circumstances are reasonably comfortable or your prospects promising.”

    Is this an error? Surely, it’s easier to make decisions not based on self-interest when you’re well off. And that seems to follow on from your remark about voting for Hewson?

    This reminds of my father telling me when I was very young that I should vote for whoever was going to help people who most needed help, because people like us (prosperous, skilled workers from stables families) would do okay regardless of who was in government.

  12. nasking

    I’m amazed at how the media has treated Abbott w/ kid gloves.

    When discussing his book ‘Battlelines’ in July ’09 at the National Press Club, Tony Abbott came up w/ this dopey comment:

    “A hardly noticeable five per cent change in class sizes (from, say, 25 to 27 on average) could fund a $50,000 a year pay rise for the best 20,000 classroom teachers.”

    Anyone who knows problems in schools & how to make teaching more effective will tell you that we need smaller class sizes.

    Yet Abbott wants to increase class sizes. What a dope.

    N’

  13. nasking

    From the same speech:

    The Howard era should be the yardstick against which the Rudd government is judged but it won’t be the blueprint on which the next Coalition government is modeled. Under Howard, there were 2.2 million more jobs, real wages grew by over 20 per cent and Australians’ individual wealth doubled.

    This happened, not because of the China boom,

    but because Peter Costello’s first budget sliced almost one per cent of GDP from public spending so that government would live within its means.

    It happened because workplace relations reform reduced third party-interference in how businesses worked, making them more productive and more rewarding for their employees.

    ———–
    hmmm…

    N’

  14. nasking

    More from the “tight-arsed” Scrooge Abbott from the same speech:

    “Australia’s schools and hospitals don’t actually need a revolution. What they need is devolution of authority from head office to the people who work in them and who benefit from them.

    The basic problem in Australia’s schools and hospitals, particularly public ones, is not lack of money but lack of the institutional freedom that would allow them to respond effectively to people’s most important needs.”
    ————

    So, funding schools more wasn’t what was required eh? Imagine what schools will get under him, particularly public schools.

    N’

  15. Rebekka

    @Terry, four people died because dodgy operators were not creating a safe workplace for their employees. That’s not a direct result of government policy, and suggesting otherwise is just running a Liberal line.

  16. Helen

    Ah, Liberals! (or republicans, to you USians!) The market is better at everything except when something goes wrong, and then you point and scream at the Government and assert that the Gummint should have controlled it all, central-planning style.

    Plus they favour big-Brotherish innovations like the national ID card, while still pretending to be Teh Party of Teh Individual. Contradictions? What contradictions?

  17. nasking

    From the same ‘Battlelines” speech by Abbott in July ’09 at the National Press Club:

    First term oppositions don’t win by taking no risks, becoming “small targets”, and simply criticizing the government.

    LOL. The irony…the irony.

    N’