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15 responses to “The Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves”

  1. paul walter

    Back in the nineties it was likewise claimed that forty or fifty $billion would allow access to fresh water. If you mulitplied this by say, three, you’d be looking at no more than a hundred and fifty $billion in this era, perhaps?
    Robert’s proposal is, I’ll bet, also some thing relatively cheap that could mean so much to hundreds of millions of real battlers and be organised quickly if we had any sort of responsible world government.
    I remember a doco on an east african refugee camp a few years ago. These people considered themselves prosperous if they had something as basic as a decent pot to cook their food in. They had to walk fifteen kilos to collect polluted water, carrying this back in buckets.
    Yet, here in Adelaide, despite a relatively new stadium at footy park, they are spending hundreds of $millions upgrading Adelaide oval, because it’s too far for the poor dears to travel twenty minutes down the road to footy park.
    Such are the priorities in what, beneath its sophisticated veneer, is actually a very rustic, primitive medieval civilisation.

  2. Ken Lovell

    Tens of millions of Filipinos cook with charcoal, plastic, wood scraps and anything else that burns because it’s all they can afford. Labour cost of gathering it isn’t an issue; any time the tide is running in the canal outside my Manila apartment I can see young children using nets, or paddling makeshift rafts, to gather fuel. The kids haven’t got anything more productive to do with their time (unless you count going to school, which is a dubious proposition).

    Giving these people stoves that required either electricity or gas would be a waste of money unless somebody is also going to pay for a lifetime’s supply of energy. Even then, the stoves are likely to be sold or pawned as soon as the family needs cash for an emergency (which will be sooner rather than later).

    I’m afraid the Alliance’s ‘Activities’ page demonstrates little awareness of the practical aspects of its laudable objectives. They all sound like lots of top-down meetings and report-writing to me:

    - Planning and Governance—develop a strategic plan and governance framework to develop and sustain effective programs and outcomes;
    - Advocacy—raise awareness of the benefits of clean cookstoves and advocate for their inclusion on public health, gender, energy access, and climate action agendas;
    Empirical Base—strengthen the evidence of risks and benefits to health and climate;
    - Mapping—identify and assess the effectiveness of existing stove programs, UN engagement, and donor activities;
    - Standards and Labels—develop consensus standards and labels, buttressed by robust field testing, to provide a clear benchmark for clean and efficient stoves; and
    - Financing—explore micro, carbon, and other innovative financing mechanisms for funding stove deployment in the developing world.

    The only effective way of tackling the problem is surely to help alleviate poverty. The only people who cook on charcoal for fun are affluent Westerners. Poor people would love to invest in an LPG stove if only they could afford the fuel (to put the matter in perspective, a two burner LPG stove in Manila costs much less than an 11 kg gas cylinder, which would probably need to be replaced every three months by the average family).

  3. Ken Lovell

    Robert I can see the potential for that although space might be an issue. My partner’s family cooks on a section of small concrete pipe sitting on its end with a hole in the side and the pot of rice on top. There are 11 people in a two room squat. Finding room for anything substantial that couldn’t be moved around easily would be a problem. Maybe suitable technology is available, I wouldn’t know. None of the Alliance’s listed activities seems to cover research and development of the stoves themselves.

  4. Ken Lovell

    Maybe this is the sort of thing they have in mind, although the benefits are more incremental than revolutionary. The new, more efficient stoves cost three times more than the traditional ones but people allegedly understand they are worth the cost. Well the ones interviewed in the video do, but I wonder if the same applies to millions of other Cambodians.

  5. Aidee

    Yes the wood gas stoves are available, are low cost, and can burn pretty much most combustible materials – efficiently.

    Have a look at:
    http://www.woodgas.com/woodcooking.htm

    No material interests to declare, just a proud owner of one!

  6. Ken Lovell

    Aidee that looks very cool. Do they ship to Australia?

  7. rdb
  8. hannah's dad

    There are also the human waste bio-fuel tanks where 3 benefits accrue.
    Human waste [and animal] is removed hygenically, gas is created which can be bottled on site and walked to the houses easily and compost is created for the fields.
    I’ve seen a site that has a simple low tech small area tank/ toilet system close to human habitation [obviously] design which some mob are trying to get built in villages and small towns in Asia and Africa.
    These, plus an efficient gas burner are supposedly very efficient for village needs.

  9. hannah's dad
  10. p.a.travers

    All fine and good,but has the problem been actually attempted to be solved in those countries themselves receiving these!? I mistrust anything the Clintons go near.Mud built stoves have been a hallmark of the organic and permaculturally inclined for sometime.Even a homemade pizza system built on a car trailer was on one of the covers of either Earth Garden or Grass Roots.The problem of biomass being used,could I believe be solved a number of ways,including growing more acceptable biomass on trees and growing multi-use trees,as has always been the permaculture design principle.I actually think animal fats or vegetable based fats will suppress rising dark carbon,as in the traditional means of Australian Aboriginal cooking.Perhaps these stoves,mentioned in PDFform, could be used also for manufacturing,and could be designed to further increase heat by some sort of inserts.In the mean time all the various cooking methods need to reduce the smoke content.Perhaps old salty[salt..preferably sea salt] could be the answer,as even the Rodale Press had in one of its books,and used in welding in the past.Just flick a bit of salt on the fire,and then I guess avoiding perhaps sodium.Although a salt based stove could be experimented with.

  11. Huggybunny

    Many years ago I listened to a conference presentation at Melb Uni by an Indian professor about just this subject.
    He made an entirely convincing case that the most cost effective thing they could do was to bring really basic electricity to the very poorest homes in his state. His statistics showed that cooking accidents (burns) and respiratory disease basically disappeared from the regions where this policy was implemented. The general health of the population in the the trial area was massively improved.
    IMV fiddling with stoves is simply another manifestation of imperial arrogance masquerading as humanitarian concern.
    The professors paper also showed that the payback interms of reduced need for health services improved productivity etc was only a few years.
    Huggy

  12. dk.au

    Improved cookstoves aren’t a new idea. They’ve been kicking around international development circles since the 1940s. The Magan Chula stove, for example, was introduced in India in 1947. Never caught on before. Why would this effort be different? Why would it work this time?

    The major flaw in previous cookstove efforts was focusing too much on good design from a designer’s perspective, and not enough from a user perspective. The improved cookstoves were technologically sophisticated and environmentally friendly. But they weren’t comfortable for the women cooking on them, and they required changes in cooking methods, some of which made the food taste different….

    etc.

    http://aidwatchers.com/2010/09/what-hillary%E2%80%99s-cookstoves-need-to-succeed/