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33 responses to “Climate change and the Murray Darling Basin”

  1. hannah's dad

    Great stuff Brian.
    Thank you.

    May I offer one small carping trivial negative comment?
    Why did you include the ‘jaundiced appraisal’ from the flat earth society?

  2. BilB

    I agree with this summation, regretably, but the end result is inevitable.

    This is the reason why

    http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/methane-levels-may-see-runaway-rise-scientists-warn-1906484.html

    http://agwobserver.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/papers-on-atmospheric-methane-concentration/

    The methane time bomb is in the process of detonating. How will it play out? Just like a nuclear explosion. First will come the flash..of news coverage, then there will be the draw in as temperatures appear to decline (pretty much what we are experiencing now) as cold air from rapidly melting ice flows away from the poles, then there will be the full blast as temperatures rocket upwards dramatically causing devastaing high pressure systems at the higher latitude edge of the Hadley belt and unprecedented cyclones and flooding rains in the tropical belt. Sea level rise will take a few decades to become totally devastating, but just as radiation is the ultimate killer in the nuclear scenario, the flooding of our coastal cities will cause the final devastaion of our economies. The only safe place will be high and dry and underground (natures ultimate survival strategy).

    Of course Howard will be dead by the time this all plays out but I am going to make sure that my kids stomp on his grave every year that they can. And depending upon what happens in the coming years, those Labour ratbags too.

  3. hannah's dad

    Gary Sauer-thompson explores the issue of the Murray and gives a relevant link to an article by Brian Toohey which includes this:
    “In line with Rudd’s approach, Gillard has no intention of recovering a cent of this public spending from the irrigators who benefit”.

    Its worth reading all of Toohey’s article.

    http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2010/11/murraydarling-b-7.php#more

  4. hannah's dad

    http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2010/11/murraydarling-b-7.php#more

    Something went wrong in my previous attempt to post this comment/link.

    That is a link to Gary Sauer-thompson discussing Brian Toohey’s article re the government which “has no intention that the $5.8 billion public investment to upgrade commercial irrigation infrastructure will not be recovered.”
    as in:
    “In line with Rudd’s approach, Gillard has no intention of recovering a cent of this public spending from the irrigators who benefit.”
    and
    “It is a policy failure because it amounts to a gigantic public subsidy for the irrigation industry, which regards the water flowing into the nation’s rivers or underground aquifers as belonging to them. ”

    Thats pretty sloppy cut and pasting on my part, might be best to go to the originals.

  5. hannah's dad

    Help, I’m think I’m caught in moderation or spam trap or time warp …or somthin’.

    [It was spam, released now - Brian]

  6. billie

    Thanks for this article. I am a convert – but will our politicians absorb this information?

    I find the Elders Weather site easier to read to understand that the rainfall that Melbourne has received so far in 2010 is just above average, hardly drought breaking. You can check the climatelogy for other weather stations, but check whether the weather station was established 20 years ago or 150 years ago.

  7. Wozza

    Brian this is interesting, but the proximate influence on water entering the river system is, surely, run off, not rainfall, and certainly not (as you recognise) basin-wide annual rainfall, given that three quarters of all run off in the MDB comes from the relatively small area of the Snowy Mountains.

    There are a lot of variables impacting on run off that have nothing to do with rainfall – land management, increasing numbers and capacity of farm dams, salt interception schemes etc. One of my bugbears is how little attention is paid in particular in this debate to interception of water by increasing vegetation in the MDB – more forestry (I have seen that on its own estimated as accounting for 750GL less run off, basin wide), but more particularly vast areas of increasing undergrowth and generally unmanaged revegetation as Native Vegetation Acts have begun to bite.

    Over-the-top green legislation may need reconsidering, for this as well as fire reasons?

    Also, forgive me if I say that, since the scariest IPCC4 scenario for sealevel rise by 2100 is 59 cm (not 1-1.2 metres), your illustration of what would happen with an 8 metre rise is to say the least somewhat irrelevant. You wouldn’t want to start sounding like Al Gore, would you?

    Good piece though, thanks.

  8. David Irving (no relation)

    Thanks, Brian, that’s fascinating (and sobering).

    It seems to back up my gut feeling that this current unusually wet year is a once-in-a-century (or maybe never again) opportunity that shouldn’t be wasted on growing cotton, rice, or wine grapes.

  9. pablo

    Thanks Brian for a very sobering analysis. I read it shortly after listening to the NSW Countryhour where a discussion between, I think, NSW Ag Minister Steve Whan and compere (it hardly matters as it is vogue thinking for all MDBA discussions) and the question of ‘balance’. ‘Getting the balance right’ between environmental flows and irrigation extractions is fast becoming an impossibility in light of your, Will Steffen, BOM, IPCC et al predictions.
    Balance suggests an equality of water either side of a fulcrum, a finite quantity of water determined at a particular time of the year, based on reasonable predictions. As you point out the short time frame of the MDBA assessment(2020) and the ‘elasticity’ of climate change, suggest that a proper balance is going to be very difficult if not impossible. It has become a political liability, a weasel word in Don Watson vogue. It may have some currency when talking about human institutions, eg IR laws for a centrist (Rudd/Gillard) government but IMO simply outlawed when it comes to the natural world.

  10. Jess

    Thanks for an interesting analysis Brian. Some of the guys who are part of our research group here at the ANU have published an atlas of projected rainfall which might be of interest to you (link to pdf here).

    I’d also like to note that the decreased runoff in the SE MDB is likely due in large part to the 2003 bushfires, as new growth forest sucks a _huge_ amount of water. Studies of runoff from burnt old growth forest in Victoria after fires in the 70s (too lazy to find references to papers just yet, might post some later) show that it takes around 30 years post-burn for runoff to return to average, everything else being the same. Based on this stuff I suspect that runoff won’t return to normal for that part until ~2030, regardless of rainfall. This could be a big problem for water allocations, although I’m sure it’s being taken into account by the authority.

  11. John D

    The recent rains give the irrigators some breathing space but this doesn’t mean that some hard decisions need to be made about both farms and towns. For example:
    1. What should the water release policy be as storage levels drop?
    2. Where should water loss reduction levels be concentrated? (What, if any irrigation areas should be shut down permanently?)
    3. In the long term should Adelaide be allowed to take any water from the Murray Darling?
    4. Does it make sense for Qld water to flow all the way to SA?
    5. What water flow pattern does the environment really require?
    6. Should parts of the irrigation area operate on a fly in/fly out basis when there is a surplus of water?

    I could go on.

  12. Zorronsky

    As a life long weather watcher and purely from memory I related the “moving south” to the general position of the highs as they crossed the continent. The westerlies “heading for the poles” confirms for me the co-relation.
    As a former resident of Ashbourne and the Fleurieu Peninsula that map looks like water water everywhere and not a drop to drink.
    Thanks Brian for this excellent work.

  13. Wozza

    Yes, OK, Brian, I would be the last to defend the IPCC models. There’s a lot of things they can’t cope with, then and now, but that – and its implications – lead us into past disagreements better not revisited here. Sorry, I shouldn’t have succumbed to the temptation of a throwaway line.

    I still think vegetation policies are an important issue not sufficiently acknowledged, though, and that recovery from fire a la Jess@11 is not its only facet.

  14. BilB

    Brian 14

    The IPCC possibly left out ice sheets because they do not appreciably add to sea level rise, as they are already afloat and thus the bouyancy effect is automatically applied.

    As to the lakes, soon to become bays, this is an early adaptation that many Australians will be facing over the next 50 years. As with any business facing change (I’ve experienced this several times) it is far better to be in control of the process of inevitable change than to become a victim of it. ie plan the date when the lakes will be salty and control the transition while improving the lot for those upstream, rather than wait for the next drought to force it.

  15. billie

    Brian, Radio National and Tim Flannery and members of the Murray CRC taught me that climate change means that south eastern Australia is drying out. I think you give a very clear summary of the issues.
    In Crikey today Murray Murmerings> says “most people (75%) [who live in the basin] continue to want water reform, they continue to see it as urgent (62%) and surprisingly, more people believe that it is likely to happen (60%).”

  16. Alphonse

    Hi Woz,

    The experience of C19 settlers within central NSW catchment was that their “permanent” creeks dried up once their collective land clearing took hold.

    You get more runoff from shaded & forested land than from thirsty cleared evaporation-prone land.

  17. BilB

    This is where our farming techniques have been disasterous.
    Non tilled farming is a big improvement along with the several farming systems developed to retain water. Do you guys know the names of the pioneers who developed the terraced terrain techniques with specific vegetation to retain water?

  18. Salient Green

    You get far more runoff from cleared land but infiltration on forested or heavily vegetated land can produce a more regular flow which is more useable.

    Forests contribute hugely to maintaining a rain cycle which again produces a more regular flow.

    The aim should be to maintain maximum biomass for maximum capture of the sun’s energy for maximum fertility.

  19. KeiTHy

    David Suzuki was talking about exponential growth the other day(It could have been a repeat tho) and basically things happen very fast if you don’t acknowledge the initial problem.

    The world is facing a crossroad of problems!

    There are market potentialities here so why do we continue to acknowledge that we are the supposed clever country???

    We are far from the clever country if we keep voting Liberal and using fossil fuels to the benefit of the few!

    Who wants to boycott oil? We can only partially do this but we can probably do this to a greater degree than we think!

    So, WHO WANTS TO BE THE CLEVER COUNTRY RATHER THAN KEEP PRETENDING?

    WHO WANTS TO BE A GOOD WORLD CITIZEN?

    The biggest problem the world is facing is an attitude problem… and the terrorists have already made big inroads on correcting that! The solutions are natural!!

    Live or die, man!??!

  20. Salient Green

    KeiTHy, I just finished listening to a recording of David Suzuki talking in Perth and he gave an excellent example of exponential growth. He has also given his support to the Centre for the Advancement of a Steady State Economy, CASSE.

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2010/11/16/3066634.htm

  21. David Irving (no relation)

    BilB @ 22, are you thinking of Yoeman?

  22. BilB

    Thanks, DI, that’s the one. The original keyline farm was recently up for sale to be subdivided for housing. Typical.

    There was another pioneer as well.

  23. John D

    This long article at the ABC Drum argues that Australia’s water crisis is a furphy. The real problem is that the bulk of irrigation water is supporting agriculture that gives a negligible return per mega litre.

  24. billie
  25. David Irving (no relation)

    I remember hearing about that, BilB. IIRC, someone was trying to get the place heritage-listed to prevent it.