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43 responses to “Spotlight the Spin”

  1. Paul Norton

    Troy Bramston is thinking with his nether member in today’s OO.

    [Cut, paste ang google the title to see the full column.]

  2. Helen

    “the Greens menace”! Complete hyperbole from the OO, which, as we haven’t forgotten, editorialised that they were going to “destroy the Greens at the Ballot box”. Fair, balanced, unbiased, yeah OK.

  3. Chris

    Its rather odd for news.com.au to go on about people illegally staying in Australia when they are from the US/UK and arrived by plane. I wonder why they’re doing it now?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/taxpayers-wear-burden-of-60000-illegal-immigrants/story-e6frfkvr-1226200664868

  4. wmmbb

    Peter Fray in a letter to the readers of the SMH today says,

    ” we have never wavered from our core values of journalistic integrity and independence”.

    He writes:

    ” We work for the public good.”

    And he also suggests:

    “The line between trusted sources of journalism and unmoderated noise has become blurred.”

    I suppose these assertions counts as spin. Perhaps Mr Fray does not critically read his own newspaper or go to the website. It seems one person’s signal is another’s noise. Nothing changed there, except the newspaper business model and modus operandi is now critically challenged. Perhaps what is really going on here is a failure to adapt, innovate and recognize that the filtered perceptions framed, for example, by wire services can be challenged by direct observations sourced by video live streaming.

  5. Roger Jones

    @4 I reckon this is a follow up from the Greek story where as much as 10% of the population may be illegal

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-09/immigration-the-other-greek-crisis/3652092?section=business

    It’s a “see, we’ve got problems, too” story. Whingers.

  6. Chris

    Roger Jones @ 6 – yes, perhaps that’s it. I would not have expected these people to be a drain on public money though – they wouldn’t quality for medicare or welfare payments and its likely they’re spending their savings or earning money doing jobs other people don’t want to do.

  7. Fran Barlow

    On May 4 this year I reported on an interview with John Howard on Fran Kelly’s Breakfast show. The interview was conducted in the wake of the apparent execution of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan at Abbottabad the day before. Kelly was her usual sloppy, brown-nosing self, but she did ask Howard to reflect on his remarks of february 2007 regarding Osama, reported inter alia by Sandra O’Malley in the Murdochracy:

    Only days after saying Australia’s alliance with the US was about more than his personal friendship with US President George W Bush, Mr Howard warned that an Obama victory would be a boost for the terrorists. {…}

    The man who wants to be the first black US president has pledged to withdraw US troops from Iraq by March 2008, a timetable Mr Howard believes is dangerous.

    “I think that would just encourage those who wanted completely to destabilise and destroy Iraq, and create chaos and victory for the terrorists to hang on and hope for (an) Obama victory,” Mr Howard told the Nine Network.

    “If I was running al-Qaeda in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008, and pray, as many times as possible, for a victory not only for Obama, but also for the Democrats.”

    It seems that everyone’s favourite conservative legend in his own mind, Gerard henderson has got himself into a snit about Bruce Hawker reminding us of it all and declared that Howard never made the remarks.

    Bruce Hawker’s Evidence-Free Claim

    On the Sky News PM Agenda program last Monday, Labor apparatchik Bruce Hawker declared that in 2007 John Howard said that “a victory for Senator Obama would be a victory for al Qaeda” and that Howard had claimed that Obama “supported al Qaeda” In fact, John Howard made neither comment. It seems that your man Bruce just made this up.

    While the form of words attributed to Hawker might not have been right, the thrust of the claim is well-attested.

  8. Cuppa

    If you are interested in a GetUp campaign to have the ABC return to its Charter, please vote and comment at here:

    http://bit.ly/gN4RHI

  9. Brian

    I heard about this one on radio, so decided to google it. A smirk shared by Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy when quizzed about Silvio Berlusconi at their Brussels press conference recently was not appreciated by the Italians.

    I can’t speak French or understand the German, but here’s a longer youtube version.

    The suggestion was if that’s what Merkel and Sarkozy think of him the markets would never have confidence, so the body language effectively finished him off.

  10. Mindy

    @TT that is just beautiful. FTR I have a couple of pairs of Qantas jammies and quite a few amenity packs courtesy of a jet setting hubby. They are nice enough, but really to win back your customers you need to do better than that.

  11. Fran Barlow

    Ok … I’ve defended Bruce Hawker from Henderson above, so just to be even handed, he goes into the naughty column for this effort:

    http://brucehawker.com/2011/11/21/minority-tyranny-the-greens-and-the-mining-tax/

    I get nervous when the Green political party starts issuing ultimatums and threatening to act petulantly when important legislation is before the national parliament.

    This morning the Green political party’s leader, Bob Brown, threatened to reject the Gillard Government’s Minerals Resource Rent Tax legislation if it is amended and projected revenue is reduced.

    This absolutist position is remarkably similar to the one the Greens adopted with disastrous national consequences at the end of 2009, when they voted with the Coalition to block the CPRS – a mechanism to set a market price on carbon.

    Then, the Green political party apparently knew better than anyone how best to put a price on carbon and compensate industry. {…}

    No prizes for guessing which familiar territory this is heading into …

    Interestingly, his party’s prior deal with Wilkie to cut the revenue (and with Windsor and Oakeshoot over CSG) gets no mention. I wonder why?

    I posted a response on his blog which is currently in moderation. (I’ve corrected a number of the typos in the text below.)

    The above piece by you lacks credibility. The failure of The Greens to support the 2009 CPRS was a thing entirely of the ALP’s making. It was designed to ensure that no Green could support it, precisely so that the Greens could take no credit, nor would want to, and so that the wedge could be applied to the then Turnbull leadership. It was high stakes political game playing by the ALP.

    Your commetns about “the greens knowing best” on how to price carbon ring hollow when one recalls that you reduced your own adviser on the matter — Ross Garnaut to mere “input”. Had your lot stuck with his framework, and not turned to CPRS into a polluter-pay day with no serious targets (and unserious ones based on CC&S working) there is no question but that the greens would have supported it — and doubtless the Liberals too. Of course, Sussex St didn’t want that outcome!

    The decline in your party’s standing when Rudd did the inevitable and kicked the “great moral challenge” can down the road into the never never was thus the first of the bills for your reckless and cynical policy posturing. It is no small irony that this farce sealed his political fate and nearly wrecked the government. An even bigger irony is that it greately empowered The Greens, which is why there is now a policy. had you won clearly, it would not have seen the light of day.

    One might add that it was also your party’s mishandling of the RSPT and its evident weakness before vested interest that saw a windback of the policy to the point where projected revenue is likely to be 2/3 lower (and perhaps as much as 84% lower) over the next decade than if you had stuck with the policy you first proposed. Once again, it was your own ineptitude that authored this result. Your willingness to make further concessions underscores the point, and it is telling that in your swing at The Greens above you fail to mention that it was your concession to Wilkie, who, we must assume, threatened to do what The Greens were then not threatening — to veto the MRRT. Why doesn’t this get a run?

    Plainly, you can’t mention Wilkie here because it would make your attack on us look hollow and force the conclusion that again, it was your party’s temporising that authored this result.

    I understand this morning that a deal has now been done, which casts your attack above in an even more ludicrous light.

  12. Fran Barlow

    Hmmm apparently I failed to correct all the typos …

  13. Fran Barlow

    Brian … having listened both to Sarkozy and Merkel, they are both expressing their confidence that the Italian authorities now have the resolve and an appreiocation of the imperatives to meet their obligations.

    The smirk really was the low point, but in context it seems to have arisen because there was an implicit invitation by the journalist to dump on the Italians, which everyone in the room knew full well they could not do, whatever they thought privately, much as there is a traditional game here in trying to get politicians to breach protocols pre-budget or during leadership speculation.

  14. Paul Norton

    Returning to the subject of @2, there is an elephant in the room in the call by Labor Right boys for Labor to take a more antagonistic attitude towards the Greens. This is that the emergence and growth of the Greens, whilst not unproblematic for the ALP Left, has in certain key respects and for a variety of reasons, empowered and emboldened the ALP Left in the ALP’s internal struggles, and can be expected to continue to do so, and the ALP Right knows this and is not happy about it. This is something which I have been predicting since the 1980s would happen if a strong party emerged to the left of Labor, and is one of the reasons why I have supported various efforts to create such a party from 1984 onwards.

  15. tssk

    Piers Morgan on his Twitter spinning for news with concern trolliness.

    I do hope Nelson Mandela was watching Hugh Grant today, so he now understands what real persecution is all about.

  16. Fran Barlow

    Piers Akerman trolled:

    I do hope Nelson Mandela was watching Hugh Grant today, so he now understands what real persecution is all about.

    Curiously, Piers doesn’t adopt the same approach with people on his blog complaining of “the Gillard social|st totalitar|an dictatorsh|p”. Apparently such things are fairly benign, at worst.

  17. Fran Barlow

    I had to laugh this morning. On Radio Liberal with Fran Kelly, Chris Pyne came on and declared that 87% of what the government passed this year was passed with LNP support. I was awaiting Ms Kelly asking whether Pyne thought that 87% of the legislative program was therefore worth doing and if that would not justify the government claiming to have had a pretty good year.

    Still, if I were spinning for the regime I’d be saying — “Opposition gives government an A”. Certainly, it’s hard to reconcile this with “the worst government in history” tag the LNP tries to run.

  18. Rebekka

    Paul Norton@16 – can you not refer to the Labor Right as “boys” please? I’m from the Labor Right, and last time I was in a caucus room, there were quite a lot of other women in there with me.

    By calling the Right “boys”, you erase us.

  19. Fran Barlow

    Hmmm Rebekka, given that you’re from the Labor Right, you’re in greater danger of being rubbed out by your factional buddies than by Paul Norton. ;-)

    Just saying …

  20. Fran Barlow

    oops … disregard that last-but-one post. I just re-read tssk‘s post and it was Piers Morgan not Akerman. Apologies all …

    Mind you, Mr Morgan might deserve to be confused with Akers but as I’m not prepared to make the case, I won’t … ;-)

  21. Paul Norton

    Rebekka, I was referring to Labor Right boys, rather than the Labor Right generically, as “boys”. If you and other Labor Right women want to claim joint ownership of a political approach which has been proven time and again to preclude your party from developing and uniting around an appealing narrative on issues on which the Greens have developed and united around appealing narratives, far be it from me to stop you.

    To give an example of what I mean, Bramston’s spray refers to “environmental evangelicals” in the Greens. Now both Labor and the Greens have their fair share of “environmental evangelicals”, i.e. people who understand and are deeply committed to the sustainability agenda, and these people have included some of Labor’s best and most successful politicians. The great advantage the Greens have over Labor on this score is that Labor also includes anti-environmental evangelicals, whereas the Greens don’t. This is why issues as diverse as the Franklin Dam dispute, native forest logging, climate policy, Fraser Island, the South Coast Motorway dispute, pulp mills, planning laws and approvals processes, etc., have so often been simultaneously a source of Green growth and Labor grief.

  22. BilB

    If we are talking about spin, the revolving Speakers chair in our Parliament has got to be a hot topic right now.

    The unpaired Harry Jenkins has stepped down to take an active role in floor politics.

    A liberal, unpaired, has taken the seat skewing the numbers in Labour’s favour. Very nicely played Julia.

    What does it mean though. I am picking a bi-election in the unsafe seat of the guy embroiled in investigation over miss use of union funds as being a front row possibility. And the rearrangement is a safety factor.

    There could well also be a cabinet reshuffle on the cards.

    Julia Gillard is being every bit a considerable political force, and an impressive Prime Minister.

  23. Paul Norton

    BilB @24, the Daily Terror is referring to “DISGRACED Queensland Liberal MP Peter Slipper” [emphasis in original].

  24. Rebekka

    @Paul Norton, my point was that the Right as a whole is responsible for the Right’s approach to politics, not just some group of “boys”. Labor Right, as I have already said, includes a fair number of women. We don’t just shut up in the caucus room while the “boys” decide our approach.

  25. BilB

    PaulN,

    I think that this is about buttressing Labour’s position until the next election. I have no knowledge, but would not be at all surprised if Craig Thompson quietly resigns for “family reasons” over the Christmas break, allowing Labour to contest his seat in the new year from a position of performance and strength.

  26. Tyro Rex

    On the ABC Radio National this morning it was all about “the questions the ALP has to answer” if there was a deal with Slipper before hand. So f**king what if they did? Of course there was. Are they stupid? What did they think Rudd was doing on Sunday? You simply just don’t talk about it and Albo last night on Lateline was very careful and methodical in answering the repeated questions from Tony Jones on this matter. Albo was brilliant in refusing to give Nappy-Boy a crack of light on the matter.

    Nothing, NOTHING this morning about whether Abbott can answer any questions about his control over his party or whether he can ever display any negotiation skills. I mean the whole affair just shows up what what a total dunderhead Abbott must be – they’ve known since last year Slipper’s totally disaffected and what exactly did they think the result of trying to dynamite him out of his seat would be? Gillard, Albo, and Rudd played the LNP like a fiddle. The ABC just repeated Abbott’s useless assertions on the matter of the deal.

    “Gotcha” journalism serving the public yet again … when the biggest “gotcha” of all time is sitting right in the leader of the opposition’s seat.

  27. Fran Barlow
  28. Fran Barlow

    oops Perry & Romney crack {crank} up the lies …

  29. Eric Sykes
  30. Fran Barlow

    Behind the paywall Eric … which is probably just as well ;-)

  31. Fran Barlow

    Is David Penberthy a bloviating rightwing tosser? You be the judge: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2011/11/25/bob-brown-wants-your-smarties/ #handsoffmysmarties

  32. David Irving (no relation)

    Fran, I know a couple of blokes who were at Adelaide Uni with Penberthy – he was a bloviating right-wing tosser back then as well, apparently.

  33. Eric Sykes

    tigtog..that’s exactly what I did. Searched the article to navigate round the pay wall, went to the article, read it in full and the link up thread is the link I was reading in full from, copied and pasted? So…..?

  34. Eric Sykes

    so…the link from the search is not transferable then, just did it again, got the same link…maybe everyone already knows this and I am just a dumbo..apologies.

  35. Fran Barlow

    Thanks TT but I’ve decided as a policy decision not to look at things I know to be behind the paywall. I want to avoid giving them extra traffic.