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		<title>Comment on US Army leaves Iraq&#8217;s cities by sg</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/30/us-army-leaves-iraqs-cities/comment-page-3/#comment-812281</link>
		<dc:creator>sg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>via Collins, consider the opening line of comment #10:
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The degree of leftist bitterness at the collapse of all their hopes of an Allied defeat in Iraq never ceases to amaze.
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and feel free to tell me where the &quot;grace and politeness&quot; lies in that one. I wasn&#039;t hoping for an Allied defeat in Iraq, and neither were most of the millions of people who marched against the war. When idiots like Integer Tone quit with the accusations of treason, and fools like Markl quit with lines like &quot;the anti-Bush lancet propaganda&quot; we can talk ad hominem. Nothing else will be forthcoming until the chief losers of this war - the neo-con scum and their useful idiot Decents - admit that they screwed the pooch, and killed a million Iraqis while they were doing it.

Which, incidentally, wasn&#039;t particularly graceful or polite either. Let&#039;s not forget that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>via Collins, consider the opening line of comment #10:</p>
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The degree of leftist bitterness at the collapse of all their hopes of an Allied defeat in Iraq never ceases to amaze.
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<p>and feel free to tell me where the &#8220;grace and politeness&#8221; lies in that one. I wasn&#8217;t hoping for an Allied defeat in Iraq, and neither were most of the millions of people who marched against the war. When idiots like Integer Tone quit with the accusations of treason, and fools like Markl quit with lines like &#8220;the anti-Bush lancet propaganda&#8221; we can talk ad hominem. Nothing else will be forthcoming until the chief losers of this war &#8211; the neo-con scum and their useful idiot Decents &#8211; admit that they screwed the pooch, and killed a million Iraqis while they were doing it.</p>
<p>Which, incidentally, wasn&#8217;t particularly graceful or polite either. Let&#8217;s not forget that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on US Army leaves Iraq&#8217;s cities by mars08</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/30/us-army-leaves-iraqs-cities/comment-page-3/#comment-812280</link>
		<dc:creator>mars08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Just an opinion of course.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well good for you!

I withdraw my &quot;wingnuts&quot;

Does that make it acceptable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just an opinion of course.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well good for you!</p>
<p>I withdraw my &#8220;wingnuts&#8221;</p>
<p>Does that make it acceptable?</p>
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		<title>Comment on US Army leaves Iraq&#8217;s cities by via collins</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/30/us-army-leaves-iraqs-cities/comment-page-3/#comment-812279</link>
		<dc:creator>via collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ad hominem attacks like #116 really do not progress
what is a largely interesting discussion.
Regardless of what one&#039;s opinions are of kingsley,MarkL, 
and GregM, they offer alternative viewpoints with a
degree of grace and politeness. That&#039;s why LP is such
A good place for debate.
They deserve better than world weary, patronising
condescension exhibited by some.
Just an opinion of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ad hominem attacks like #116 really do not progress<br />
what is a largely interesting discussion.<br />
Regardless of what one&#8217;s opinions are of kingsley,MarkL,<br />
and GregM, they offer alternative viewpoints with a<br />
degree of grace and politeness. That&#8217;s why LP is such<br />
A good place for debate.<br />
They deserve better than world weary, patronising<br />
condescension exhibited by some.<br />
Just an opinion of course.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does Kevin Rudd not have enough things to do? by Acerbic Conehead</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/03/does-kevin-rudd-not-have-enough-things-to-do/comment-page-1/#comment-812278</link>
		<dc:creator>Acerbic Conehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[And, anyway, what I want to know is why nobody made Robin Hood a saint.]

Paul Burns (26).  Just like Eve, it was probably all Maid Marion&#039;s fault: &quot;she made me do it!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[And, anyway, what I want to know is why nobody made Robin Hood a saint.]</p>
<p>Paul Burns (26).  Just like Eve, it was probably all Maid Marion&#8217;s fault: &#8220;she made me do it!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday Salon by General "Buck" Turgidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>General "Buck" Turgidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Defcon, hell yeah! ALL SILOS ON STANDBY!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday Salon by Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/04/saturday-salon-198/comment-page-1/#comment-812276</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to Higgins, it seems that Kelly O&#039;Dwyer has the inside running.

Watch out for her - she&#039;s pretty smart and articulate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to Higgins, it seems that Kelly O&#8217;Dwyer has the inside running.</p>
<p>Watch out for her &#8211; she&#8217;s pretty smart and articulate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does Kevin Rudd not have enough things to do? by Acerbic Conehead</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/03/does-kevin-rudd-not-have-enough-things-to-do/comment-page-1/#comment-812275</link>
		<dc:creator>Acerbic Conehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[The PM should be focussing his energy on the Major Economies Forum, and not be distracted by things like visits to the pope, or lobbying FIFA. The MEF meeting is too important.]

Peter Wood (33).  Man cannot live by MEF (Manna-Enriched Food) alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[The PM should be focussing his energy on the Major Economies Forum, and not be distracted by things like visits to the pope, or lobbying FIFA. The MEF meeting is too important.]</p>
<p>Peter Wood (33).  Man cannot live by MEF (Manna-Enriched Food) alone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday Salon by Pavlov's Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynda, does this mean that you do not care that the Power gave Brisbane a dirty great big bath? Or even that you were barracking for Brisbane?

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynda, does this mean that you do not care that the Power gave Brisbane a dirty great big bath? Or even that you were barracking for Brisbane?</p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday Salon by Lynda Hopgood</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/04/saturday-salon-198/comment-page-1/#comment-812273</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynda Hopgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WARNING: GRATUITOUS AFL COMMENT ...

Go the Crows!

That has pretty much summed up my weekend so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WARNING: GRATUITOUS AFL COMMENT &#8230;</p>
<p>Go the Crows!</p>
<p>That has pretty much summed up my weekend so far.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday Salon by adrian</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/04/saturday-salon-198/comment-page-1/#comment-812272</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the summary Sir Henry. I&#039;ve got into the habit of listening to some great radio via itunes on the PC, but the idea of having a stand alone version is intruiging. You can also get apps for the iphone/ipod touch that will also stream these stations.

They were trying to spruik the benefits of digital radio on the ABC the other moring, and it sounds very ordinary. The ability to rewind and limited text/picture facility seemed about it. Nothing to get excited about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the summary Sir Henry. I&#8217;ve got into the habit of listening to some great radio via itunes on the PC, but the idea of having a stand alone version is intruiging. You can also get apps for the iphone/ipod touch that will also stream these stations.</p>
<p>They were trying to spruik the benefits of digital radio on the ABC the other moring, and it sounds very ordinary. The ability to rewind and limited text/picture facility seemed about it. Nothing to get excited about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does Kevin Rudd not have enough things to do? by joe2</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/03/does-kevin-rudd-not-have-enough-things-to-do/comment-page-1/#comment-812271</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baraholka, this discussion was more about the proposed canonisation of Mary MacKillop. But since you mention it, Kev seems to have performed an identified economic miracle right here in Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baraholka, this discussion was more about the proposed canonisation of Mary MacKillop. But since you mention it, Kev seems to have performed an identified economic miracle right here in Australia.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday Salon by Rayedish</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/04/saturday-salon-198/comment-page-1/#comment-812270</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayedish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arrgh link fail!  cut and paste  - I think its worth a read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrgh link fail!  cut and paste  &#8211; I think its worth a read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on US Army leaves Iraq&#8217;s cities by mars08</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/30/us-army-leaves-iraqs-cities/comment-page-3/#comment-812269</link>
		<dc:creator>mars08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then there&#039;$ the co$t of thi$ little adventure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there&#8217;$ the co$t of thi$ little adventure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday Salon by Rayedish</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/04/saturday-salon-198/comment-page-1/#comment-812268</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayedish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this article in TIME about our PM entitled &quot;Mr World:Kevin Rudd&quot; quite interesting.  Enlightening to see how Australia is presented to the rest of the world.http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1908274-1,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this article in TIME about our PM entitled &#8220;Mr World:Kevin Rudd&#8221; quite interesting.  Enlightening to see how Australia is presented to the rest of the world.http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1908274-1,00.html</p>
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		<title>Comment on Scotland leads but not everyone follows by Labor Outsider</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/07/03/scotland-leads-but-not-everyone-follows/comment-page-1/#comment-812267</link>
		<dc:creator>Labor Outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I&#039;m not sure that you understand how the WTO works. It would almost certainly be illegal for say Europe to slap a unilateral tariff on Australian exports for climate change related reasons. The US certainly will not do it because we have an FTA with them, while the Canadians have NAFTA. It is worth pointing out also that India has significantly higher tariff levels  and overall protection for both its agricultural and manufacturing sector than the US, Europe, Japan and Australia. India is actually one of the main culprits (along with the US) for the current DOHA round breaking down, in that they wanted rich countries to further liberalise their agricultural sectors without giving up much of importance in return. Europe also has its Everything But Arms initiative, which gives duty free access to European markets for LDC countries, without those countries having to give similar access themselves. So things are a bit more complicated on the trade front than you are making out.

Also, I don&#039;t know what you mean about Australia getting its act together. Relative to 1990 levels, our conditional target is more aggressive than the target the US is currently proposing - and that hasn&#039;t even made its way through the US senate yet. Quite separate from the trade argument our strategic relationship with the US makes it almost impossible to believe that the US would form some sort of climate alliance with Europe to threaten some of its most important allies!

Also, I have to take you up on the economy coming to grief. Projections of the impact of climate change on the economy are made relative to the expected baseline level of GDP at some point in the horizon. So, for example, if one estimated that the impact would amount to 20% of GDP in 2100, that would be relative to baseline in 2100. That baseline level would be more than double what it is now, so even a 20% reduction would leave us considerably better off than today. Note also, that the 20% doesn&#039;t come all in one hit (GDP doesn&#039;t collapse by 20% in one year) it is an incremental effect - we basically grow more slowly than we otherwise would. I&#039;m not saying that the costs of action are greater than the costs of action - just pointing out how the economic impacts are supposed to be interpreted. Of course, if one believes that climate change will be associated with more regular &quot;shocks&quot;, then those will have large impacts in single years - but that is a different issue again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I&#8217;m not sure that you understand how the WTO works. It would almost certainly be illegal for say Europe to slap a unilateral tariff on Australian exports for climate change related reasons. The US certainly will not do it because we have an FTA with them, while the Canadians have NAFTA. It is worth pointing out also that India has significantly higher tariff levels  and overall protection for both its agricultural and manufacturing sector than the US, Europe, Japan and Australia. India is actually one of the main culprits (along with the US) for the current DOHA round breaking down, in that they wanted rich countries to further liberalise their agricultural sectors without giving up much of importance in return. Europe also has its Everything But Arms initiative, which gives duty free access to European markets for LDC countries, without those countries having to give similar access themselves. So things are a bit more complicated on the trade front than you are making out.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t know what you mean about Australia getting its act together. Relative to 1990 levels, our conditional target is more aggressive than the target the US is currently proposing &#8211; and that hasn&#8217;t even made its way through the US senate yet. Quite separate from the trade argument our strategic relationship with the US makes it almost impossible to believe that the US would form some sort of climate alliance with Europe to threaten some of its most important allies!</p>
<p>Also, I have to take you up on the economy coming to grief. Projections of the impact of climate change on the economy are made relative to the expected baseline level of GDP at some point in the horizon. So, for example, if one estimated that the impact would amount to 20% of GDP in 2100, that would be relative to baseline in 2100. That baseline level would be more than double what it is now, so even a 20% reduction would leave us considerably better off than today. Note also, that the 20% doesn&#8217;t come all in one hit (GDP doesn&#8217;t collapse by 20% in one year) it is an incremental effect &#8211; we basically grow more slowly than we otherwise would. I&#8217;m not saying that the costs of action are greater than the costs of action &#8211; just pointing out how the economic impacts are supposed to be interpreted. Of course, if one believes that climate change will be associated with more regular &#8220;shocks&#8221;, then those will have large impacts in single years &#8211; but that is a different issue again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday Salon by Sir Henry Casingbroke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sir Henry Casingbroke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you mean IP radio Joe2? I think the digital radio, which is simply a receiver of digital transmissions from existing licensed broadcasters, is a red herring, by the way. 

IP radio is quite revolutionary on the other hand and its potential, BTW, to scare the shit out of MSM broadcasters just as bloggers and net journalism scare the shit out of media moguls - check out News Ltd&#039;s Harto&#039;s speech to the press club (as per the discussion in the &quot;Hartigan punches back&quot; thread).

IP radio -  transmission of music and voice via Internet Protocol - is simply web radio using a personal computer to download a live &quot;broadcast&quot; and that&#039;s it. But as Joe2 has correctly observed, there are now available standalone &quot;radio&quot; receivers, usually about the size of an old-style mantel radio, that will do the same job as a personal computer. Mine is a Sagem brand and it also has an standard radio FM tuner inside, though no AM.

An IP radio works the same way a computer works when we go to a website that has a &quot;listen live&quot; facility. 

This is a very subversive bit of kit and I am not surprised that it is being downplayed because it has the potential to eventually murder MSM radio. Like blogging and websites, the concept demolishes barriers to entry for any putative broadcaster, as no broadcasting licence is required! All one needs is a home computer and a website. Plus a cheap microphone. 

IP radio receivers pick up the &quot;listen live&quot; streaming via the wireless network (LAN) in the home or even via hard wire fif there is no wireless LAN - all IP radio units also have USB female plugs to take a Cat 5 LAN cable or USB patch cord direct from a router.

Of course, you can still listen to any IP radio streaming broadcasts on a laptop/PC via headphones or the computer&#039;s loudspeaker. Quite a few people I know listen to IP radio at work on the boss&#039;s computer at the their workstations.

The standalone IP radio receivers, which are easily available from retialers for $70 to $200 have a self-tuning facility set up to scan the world&#039;s IP broadcasters and you can put in presets so it is just a touch of a button and you are listening to say KJAZZ from Long Beach Ca or Jazz88 from New Jersey or a station in Sengal if that is what you want to hear. The ABC broadcasts live via IP and if you are interstate and want to tune to your local station wehile away, you can. Neat technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you mean IP radio Joe2? I think the digital radio, which is simply a receiver of digital transmissions from existing licensed broadcasters, is a red herring, by the way. </p>
<p>IP radio is quite revolutionary on the other hand and its potential, BTW, to scare the shit out of MSM broadcasters just as bloggers and net journalism scare the shit out of media moguls &#8211; check out News Ltd&#8217;s Harto&#8217;s speech to the press club (as per the discussion in the &#8220;Hartigan punches back&#8221; thread).</p>
<p>IP radio &#8211;  transmission of music and voice via Internet Protocol &#8211; is simply web radio using a personal computer to download a live &#8220;broadcast&#8221; and that&#8217;s it. But as Joe2 has correctly observed, there are now available standalone &#8220;radio&#8221; receivers, usually about the size of an old-style mantel radio, that will do the same job as a personal computer. Mine is a Sagem brand and it also has an standard radio FM tuner inside, though no AM.</p>
<p>An IP radio works the same way a computer works when we go to a website that has a &#8220;listen live&#8221; facility. </p>
<p>This is a very subversive bit of kit and I am not surprised that it is being downplayed because it has the potential to eventually murder MSM radio. Like blogging and websites, the concept demolishes barriers to entry for any putative broadcaster, as no broadcasting licence is required! All one needs is a home computer and a website. Plus a cheap microphone. </p>
<p>IP radio receivers pick up the &#8220;listen live&#8221; streaming via the wireless network (LAN) in the home or even via hard wire fif there is no wireless LAN &#8211; all IP radio units also have USB female plugs to take a Cat 5 LAN cable or USB patch cord direct from a router.</p>
<p>Of course, you can still listen to any IP radio streaming broadcasts on a laptop/PC via headphones or the computer&#8217;s loudspeaker. Quite a few people I know listen to IP radio at work on the boss&#8217;s computer at the their workstations.</p>
<p>The standalone IP radio receivers, which are easily available from retialers for $70 to $200 have a self-tuning facility set up to scan the world&#8217;s IP broadcasters and you can put in presets so it is just a touch of a button and you are listening to say KJAZZ from Long Beach Ca or Jazz88 from New Jersey or a station in Sengal if that is what you want to hear. The ABC broadcasts live via IP and if you are interstate and want to tune to your local station wehile away, you can. Neat technology.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does Kevin Rudd not have enough things to do? by Baraholka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baraholka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Doesn&#039;t Kevin Rudd have enough to do ?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As I have commented elsewhere on LP, Rudd&#039;s ambition is to become God or at least a god. Consequently he has to be everywhere, be in control of everything, know everything and solve everything.

He&#039;s just getting warmed up...</description>
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Doesn&#8217;t Kevin Rudd have enough to do ?
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<p>As I have commented elsewhere on LP, Rudd&#8217;s ambition is to become God or at least a god. Consequently he has to be everywhere, be in control of everything, know everything and solve everything.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just getting warmed up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does Kevin Rudd not have enough things to do? by Patricia WA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia WA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction! Disclaimer!   Bob Brown wasn&#039;t there.  And I am totally ignorant of whatever &quot;democratic structure&quot; there might be among the Tibetans in exile whom apparently our parliamentary group went specifically to meet.  And I was so enjoying my little rant.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction! Disclaimer!   Bob Brown wasn&#8217;t there.  And I am totally ignorant of whatever &#8220;democratic structure&#8221; there might be among the Tibetans in exile whom apparently our parliamentary group went specifically to meet.  And I was so enjoying my little rant&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Scotland leads but not everyone follows by conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The other is that the developing countries can’t pollute their way to prosperity, just as the rich countries did.&quot;

I think you are confusing &quot;did&quot; with &quot;do&quot;, since what it means is that poor people get to stay poor and rich people get to stay rich, and rich people still get to belch out as much pollution as they did in 1990 (plus 10% for recalictrants that are lucky enough to live in certain geographical regions, and probably even moreso in reality).

My bet is that poor people will quite happily bet against your suggestion by polluting  more (but still less than rich people) their way to prosperity (unless really cheap non-polluting energy technology gets going sooner rather than later). For them, it&#039;s a damned if you don&#039;t (stay poor and suffer the consequences) and possibly damned if you do argument (environment gets destroyed too much), so they may as well take the risk and hope the environment doesn&#039;t get stuffed up too much. Thus the Chinese strategy makes complete sense to the CHinese (it&#039;s the best bet on offer to them), and if there are outcomes like Australia becomes 99% desert then Australians can hardly complain, since they&#039;re just as responsible for it as everyone else (indeed, moreso, if you consider individual contributions).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The other is that the developing countries can’t pollute their way to prosperity, just as the rich countries did.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you are confusing &#8220;did&#8221; with &#8220;do&#8221;, since what it means is that poor people get to stay poor and rich people get to stay rich, and rich people still get to belch out as much pollution as they did in 1990 (plus 10% for recalictrants that are lucky enough to live in certain geographical regions, and probably even moreso in reality).</p>
<p>My bet is that poor people will quite happily bet against your suggestion by polluting  more (but still less than rich people) their way to prosperity (unless really cheap non-polluting energy technology gets going sooner rather than later). For them, it&#8217;s a damned if you don&#8217;t (stay poor and suffer the consequences) and possibly damned if you do argument (environment gets destroyed too much), so they may as well take the risk and hope the environment doesn&#8217;t get stuffed up too much. Thus the Chinese strategy makes complete sense to the CHinese (it&#8217;s the best bet on offer to them), and if there are outcomes like Australia becomes 99% desert then Australians can hardly complain, since they&#8217;re just as responsible for it as everyone else (indeed, moreso, if you consider individual contributions).</p>
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		<title>Comment on US Army leaves Iraq&#8217;s cities by Baraholka</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/06/30/us-army-leaves-iraqs-cities/comment-page-3/#comment-812261</link>
		<dc:creator>Baraholka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the above I would add the plauge of birth defects and cancers caused by residue from Depleted Uranium weaponry.

It was the 1990&#039;s version of the landmines and boblets of Loas and Cambodia.

Pure barbarism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the above I would add the plauge of birth defects and cancers caused by residue from Depleted Uranium weaponry.</p>
<p>It was the 1990&#8217;s version of the landmines and boblets of Loas and Cambodia.</p>
<p>Pure barbarism.</p>
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