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		<title>Comment on Overflow Thread by Ronson Dalby</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/05/overflow-thread-4/#comment-420934</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronson Dalby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve got to love the Liberal Party and it&#039;s followers coming to you real soon now:

http://bernardgaynor.com.au/why-homosexual-activists-should-applaud-senator-bernardi/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got to love the Liberal Party and it&#8217;s followers coming to you real soon now:</p>
<p><a href="http://bernardgaynor.com.au/why-homosexual-activists-should-applaud-senator-bernardi/" rel="nofollow">http://bernardgaynor.com.au/why-homosexual-activists-should-applaud-senator-bernardi/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Gonski under Abbott by conrad</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/06/gonski-under-abbott/#comment-420923</link>
		<dc:creator>conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What the TER score people have is only marginally relevant to their ability to teach&quot;

I teach people who got TERs of 50. I can&#039;t think of anyone else that does that would even contemplate believing this. This is the type of garbage that comes out of edumacation departments (and every other department in universities now) to justify them taking anyone into their courses, including people that won&#039;t get any benefit from them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What the TER score people have is only marginally relevant to their ability to teach&#8221;</p>
<p>I teach people who got TERs of 50. I can&#8217;t think of anyone else that does that would even contemplate believing this. This is the type of garbage that comes out of edumacation departments (and every other department in universities now) to justify them taking anyone into their courses, including people that won&#8217;t get any benefit from them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I won&#8217;t add my condemn to your condemn LIV by Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/06/i-wont-add-my-condemn-to-your-condemn-liv/#comment-420918</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the argument about copyright could be taken to the Overflow Thread.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the argument about copyright could be taken to the Overflow Thread.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday Salon by David Irving (no relation)</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/06/saturday-salon-256/#comment-420908</link>
		<dc:creator>David Irving (no relation)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 03:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be fair, Helen @ 51, James Carlton questioned her fairly closely about her assumptions. (I was assembling a Carbonnades Flamandes for the slow cooker at the time.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, Helen @ 51, James Carlton questioned her fairly closely about her assumptions. (I was assembling a Carbonnades Flamandes for the slow cooker at the time.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on I won&#8217;t add my condemn to your condemn LIV by Chris</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/06/i-wont-add-my-condemn-to-your-condemn-liv/#comment-420906</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Liz @ 48 - I work in software development, and I too essentially rely on copyright to make a living. I don&#039;t have a problem with copyright being used to fund retirement, but that is not it&#039;s purpose but the retirement fund argument is is used to push for copyright being dependent on how long the author lives.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You seem to have a problem with people making an income from the work we create.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have no problem at all about people making an income from work people create. Its what I do. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;You say copyright should be about encouraging the creation of work, not about people making money. The two are inextricably linked.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They are often linked, but the latter is not actually required for the former. Do you think that there would be no music created at all if copyright did not exist? Or that people would not write software if they could not get copyright protection? Of course not.

I think copyright terms of life + 70 years is getting pretty ridiculuous. Do you think that someone would create significantly less music/TV/movies/software/books if say copyright was just 30 years rather than life + 70? I very much doubt it. On the other hand by expiring copyright after 30 years or earlier it allows many more people to build upon what already exists and create derivative, but still creative works.

On a more practical viewpoint the sooner the media industry gets its act together in making it easier to legally purchase content and package it in a way that people want, the more people will buy than just download. A lot of people who used to download music buy it these days because its actually easier to buy it than just illegally download it and it is rarely DRM&#039;d. Or they use services like spotify that allow them to pay a monthly fee to listen to pretty much anything they want. But the record industries had to be dragged kicking and screaming into allowing it. 

Compare the experience of using a DVD (lots of non skip sections including compulsory trailers that few people want to watch) versus playing a downloaded file which has all the junk stripped. Not to mention you can play the latter on virtually any device in any area of the world rather than having to re-buy your entire media collection because you moved countries or now have an android based tablet instead of an apple based tablet.

DRM is another big issue - all it does is make life difficult for those who legally pay for content. When buying DRM&#039;d content you risk buying something that you won&#039;t be able to play tomorrow. 

And then there is availability and different pricing between countries. If I buy a book electronically from the US it is much cheaper than buying it in Australia even when it gets downloaded from the same physical servers.  And then often content isn&#039;t even available in Australia when it is in the US. In this age of worldwide communities that makes about as much sense as releasing new programs in NSW months before it is available in Victoria.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz @ 48 &#8211; I work in software development, and I too essentially rely on copyright to make a living. I don&#8217;t have a problem with copyright being used to fund retirement, but that is not it&#8217;s purpose but the retirement fund argument is is used to push for copyright being dependent on how long the author lives.</p>
<blockquote><p>You seem to have a problem with people making an income from the work we create.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have no problem at all about people making an income from work people create. Its what I do. </p>
<blockquote><p>You say copyright should be about encouraging the creation of work, not about people making money. The two are inextricably linked.</p></blockquote>
<p>They are often linked, but the latter is not actually required for the former. Do you think that there would be no music created at all if copyright did not exist? Or that people would not write software if they could not get copyright protection? Of course not.</p>
<p>I think copyright terms of life + 70 years is getting pretty ridiculuous. Do you think that someone would create significantly less music/TV/movies/software/books if say copyright was just 30 years rather than life + 70? I very much doubt it. On the other hand by expiring copyright after 30 years or earlier it allows many more people to build upon what already exists and create derivative, but still creative works.</p>
<p>On a more practical viewpoint the sooner the media industry gets its act together in making it easier to legally purchase content and package it in a way that people want, the more people will buy than just download. A lot of people who used to download music buy it these days because its actually easier to buy it than just illegally download it and it is rarely DRM&#8217;d. Or they use services like spotify that allow them to pay a monthly fee to listen to pretty much anything they want. But the record industries had to be dragged kicking and screaming into allowing it. </p>
<p>Compare the experience of using a DVD (lots of non skip sections including compulsory trailers that few people want to watch) versus playing a downloaded file which has all the junk stripped. Not to mention you can play the latter on virtually any device in any area of the world rather than having to re-buy your entire media collection because you moved countries or now have an android based tablet instead of an apple based tablet.</p>
<p>DRM is another big issue &#8211; all it does is make life difficult for those who legally pay for content. When buying DRM&#8217;d content you risk buying something that you won&#8217;t be able to play tomorrow. </p>
<p>And then there is availability and different pricing between countries. If I buy a book electronically from the US it is much cheaper than buying it in Australia even when it gets downloaded from the same physical servers.  And then often content isn&#8217;t even available in Australia when it is in the US. In this age of worldwide communities that makes about as much sense as releasing new programs in NSW months before it is available in Victoria.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Climate clippings 78 by Tim Macknay</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/06/climate-clippings-78/#comment-420900</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Macknay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 01:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, John D @16. Very interesting stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, John D @16. Very interesting stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I won&#8217;t add my condemn to your condemn LIV by Liz</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/06/i-wont-add-my-condemn-to-your-condemn-liv/#comment-420895</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 01:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris, I make money out of copyright. It&#039;s not my retirement fund, although why that should be a problem for you I don&#039;t know. 

You seem to have a problem with people making an income from the work we create. Why should that be? In independent film and television, fees are very low. Ownership of copyright and the exploitation of that ownership is how people pay the rent. You say copyright should be about encouraging the creation of work, not about people making money. The two are inextricably linked. If you want to watch my work, you can pay for it, except if I decide differently. 

Sure, copyright laws shouldn&#039;t be too onerous. But, let&#039;s not get too laissez-faire about it either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I make money out of copyright. It&#8217;s not my retirement fund, although why that should be a problem for you I don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>You seem to have a problem with people making an income from the work we create. Why should that be? In independent film and television, fees are very low. Ownership of copyright and the exploitation of that ownership is how people pay the rent. You say copyright should be about encouraging the creation of work, not about people making money. The two are inextricably linked. If you want to watch my work, you can pay for it, except if I decide differently. </p>
<p>Sure, copyright laws shouldn&#8217;t be too onerous. But, let&#8217;s not get too laissez-faire about it either.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I won&#8217;t add my condemn to your condemn LIV by Paul Norton</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/06/i-wont-add-my-condemn-to-your-condemn-liv/#comment-420894</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 01:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I condemn lists with titles like &quot;Top 10/20/50/100 songs about dogs&quot; that don&#039;t include &quot;Bron-y-aur Stomp&quot; by Led Zeppelin (especially when the same list includes &quot;Black Dog&quot; by the same band).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I condemn lists with titles like &#8220;Top 10/20/50/100 songs about dogs&#8221; that don&#8217;t include &#8220;Bron-y-aur Stomp&#8221; by Led Zeppelin (especially when the same list includes &#8220;Black Dog&#8221; by the same band).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saturday Salon by Zabeel the Horse</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/06/saturday-salon-256/#comment-420885</link>
		<dc:creator>Zabeel the Horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ut&#039;s freezung roight now on thus soide of the dutch!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ut&#8217;s freezung roight now on thus soide of the dutch!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Climate clippings 78 by pablo</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/06/climate-clippings-78/#comment-420883</link>
		<dc:creator>pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah Ootz and she went on to talk about some eleven pilot CCS schemes around the world none of which was like to be commercially available before 2030. Her major source was the International Energy Agency which has plenty of critics but their most recent assessment acknowledges the reality of leaving ff in the ground to avoid more than 2 C temperature rise.  
In view of her &#039;take it or leave it&#039; - and suffer since renewables aren&#039;t going to cut it - maybe she and the ACA she heads should return all that Rudd Government funding for CCS research.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Ootz and she went on to talk about some eleven pilot CCS schemes around the world none of which was like to be commercially available before 2030. Her major source was the International Energy Agency which has plenty of critics but their most recent assessment acknowledges the reality of leaving ff in the ground to avoid more than 2 C temperature rise.<br />
In view of her &#8216;take it or leave it&#8217; &#8211; and suffer since renewables aren&#8217;t going to cut it &#8211; maybe she and the ACA she heads should return all that Rudd Government funding for CCS research.</p>
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