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		<title>Why Adam Bandt is (largely) wrong about the Qantas dispute</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 06:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s been a fair bit of discussion around the traps about Adam Bandt&#8217;s statement yesterday about what the government should have done, or left undone, with regard to the Qantas dispute. Some of Bandt&#8217;s post seems to echo criticism from [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been a fair bit of discussion around the traps about <a href="http://greensmps.org.au/blog/government-shouldnt-be-taking-sides-qantas">Adam Bandt&#8217;s statement yesterday</a> about what the government should have done, or left undone, with regard to the Qantas dispute. Some of Bandt&#8217;s post seems to echo criticism from <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/shutdown-exposes-failure-of-leadership-on-all-sides-20111030-1mqhz.html">journalists</a> and the opposition of the Gillard government&#8217;s role, for instance by saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; And it should have entered the negotiating fray itself, helping bang heads together.</p></blockquote>
<p>Leaving that aside, though I think there is an element of piling on Julia Gillard at work, Bandt makes a number of claims, one based on a factual error, and the other encompassing a confusing elision between claiming the &#8220;government shouldn&#8217;t be taking sides&#8221; (which the government itself has claimed not to be) and an apparent belief that a suspension of the bargaining period, as opposed to a termination, would somehow have resulted automatically in industrial victory for the unions. Or perhaps Bandt is making or implying an argument that it&#8217;s undesirable, generally, for &#8216;third parties&#8217; to intervene in industrial disputes.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get a number of facts on the table, first:</p>
<p>(a) The government, represented at FWA on behalf of the Minister, Chris Evans, argued either for a termination of the bargaining period, or for a 90 day suspension. That&#8217;s clear from a reading of <a href="http://www.fwa.gov.au/decisionssigned/html/2011fwafb7444.htm">the decision</a> by Guidice J, Watson SDP and Roe C, right at the outset. The government was actually being consistent with the thrust of its own Act, that such matters ought to be subject to judicial determination, and, like the other parties involved, was following normal industrial practice by envisaging a range of outcomes which the tribunal might give effect to. It&#8217;s important to recognise this, and as far as I can see, it&#8217;s been completely overlooked, because it is highly pertinent to the Tony Abbott line that the Minister should have used the powers available to him under section 431 of the <em>Fair Work Act</em>.</p>
<p>(b) Bandt says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Ever since John Howard&#8217;s WorkChoices, the spirit of which still lives in the current legislation, many unions have sought to bargain for an outcome and avoid arbitration. Why? Because the outcomes you&#8217;re likely to get in an arbitration are widely thought to be less than what you might get in bargaining. Especially over matters that impinge on managerial prerogative. Like job security clauses, a key claim of the unions in the Qantas dispute, because they are concerned about &#8216;offshoring&#8217; and contracting out of their work.</p></blockquote>
<p>Partly, this is wrong, and partly, again, it&#8217;s confused. FWA gives greater scope for arbitration than WorkChoices in the case of low paid workers, in particular, and where both parties consent to conciliation and arbitration. It&#8217;s true that the provisions regarding the availability of arbitration to settle disputes are not substantially changed from WorkChoices (with a very important exception, which I&#8217;ll come to). But this gives the lie to his logic. How could unions have been seeking to avoid arbitration, when arbitration has not been a legal option except in exceptional circumstances such as would trigger the termination of a bargaining period? It doesn&#8217;t make any sense, and in fact, the whole thrust of the reforms since, arguably Paul Keating&#8217;s <em>Industrial Relations Reform Act 1993</em>, and certainly since the Peter Reith/Cheryl Kernot <em>Workplace Relations Act 1996</em>, has been to de-emphasise and radically restrict arbitration.</p>
<p>Certainly, from WorkChoices onwards, the choice has simply not been there for unions. So it&#8217;s hard to know what he&#8217;s saying here. That&#8217;s why various analysts of Australian industrial relations have characterised the system we had as &#8216;voluntary collective bargaining&#8217;. One of the most important changes ushered in by the <em>Fair Work Act</em> was to remove the right of management to refuse to negotiate with unions. So we have probably returned, not to a regime which offers a choice between conciliation and arbitration and bargaining, but to one of compulsory collective bargaining. The enhanced provisions for union recognition, and for good faith bargaining, are precisely what business has been screaming about. So I think Bandt&#8217;s claim that &#8220;the spirit of [WorkChoices] still lives in the current legislation&#8221; needs heavy qualification.</p>
<p>Under WorkChoices, the most likely outcome would have been freer rein for Qantas to pursue a naked strategy of de-unionisation. Peter Reith&#8217;s very vocal calls for &#8216;free collective bargaining&#8217; are exposed for what they are by his references to Margaret Thatcher in the same breath.</p>
<p>What I suspect Bandt actually has in mind, and this is taking us closer to the crux of the matter, is the degree to which unions in strong bargaining positions have been able to influence (but not determine) managerial strategy through &#8220;job security clauses&#8221; and restrictions on contract labour, or agreements that contractors be paid the same as employees. Typically such agreements have been reached in labour intensive industries where time constraints (and penalties for non-completion) are a factor, and where competition is minimal. Construction is the obvious one, and mining is another.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m unclear as to why Bandt thinks, or could be read as thinking, that issues regarding job security may go more in Qantas&#8217; favour under arbitration. I don&#8217;t see any reason why they wouldn&#8217;t fall within the scope or ambit of the dispute, because they are &#8220;employment matters&#8221; (and Australian industrial jurisprudence has always sought to wall off management prerogative). Certainly the Act envisages the distribution of labour between full time and other employees and the role of contractors as matters that can be subjects for an enterprise agreement. Another very significant change between WorkChoices and the FWA was the removal of the severe restrictions of matters on which parties could bargain. Given that there are few disputes in recent times which have reached the point of arbitration, I can&#8217;t see any reason on the face of it why there would be an assumption that job security clauses would not be matters on which FWA would make a determination.</p>
<p>It may be that he is thinking of the very strong line in the sand business is drawing in resisting these clauses, which is, again, one of the key planks of the anti-FWA campaign.</p>
<p>The assumption by some, such as <a href="http://left-flank.blogspot.com/2011/10/qantas-lock-out-1-declares-all-out-war.html">Dr_Tad</a>, who have seized on Bandt&#8217;s rather confused remarks (and he does a nice line in trying to be happy and shiny and appealing to everyone &#8211; &#8220;reach a negotiated outcome by supporting the whole of the airline, management and employees, with an eye to the country&#8217;s long-term interests&#8221;) that a suspension of the bargaining period would somehow lead to a victory for the unions seems to me to be highly questionable. Syndicalist sentiment aside, sometimes, sadly, the workers united are defeated. It&#8217;s not clear to me that the interests of pilots, baggage handlers and engineers are identical, nor that they would not become separable during a 90 day bargaining period (and let&#8217;s not forget, 42 days are potentially available under the FWA decision). But, more broadly, I&#8217;m unable to see:</p>
<p>(a) that the industrial muscle exists to produce an outcome favourable to workers&#8217; desire to restrict the company in its pursuit of its strategy of offshoring, cost-shifting and outsourcing;</p>
<p>(b) how, in the absence of arbitration, Alan Joyce would be shifted from his stated intention to again lockout the workers. All he would have to do is endure negotiations for 90 days before the bargaining period recommenced, and there&#8217;s no legal lever to exert pressure on Qantas to negotiate on job security, which it&#8217;s made clear it does not want to do. With arbitration, there is. Or, at least, there potentially is. It needs to be remembered, and FWA took note of this, that Qantas could also, and probably would, lockout its workforce again on the resumption of a bargaining period. I doubt there&#8217;s much, if any willingness, on Qantas&#8217; side to reach agreement on job security issues, which are what remain in the air, not pay.</p>
<p>In short, I don&#8217;t think Bandt has much warrant for saying this:</p>
<blockquote><p>As it is, a Labor government has tipped its hand and sided with Qantas. Whatever Fair Work Australia decides, Qantas now knows the government will help it get to arbitration.</p></blockquote>
<p>However, he is right about one thing. In <a href="http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/government-must-now-act-protect-qantas-jobs-bandt">a statement today</a>, he writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Now that the government has done what Qantas wanted and removed the workers&#8217; capacity to protect Australian jobs, the government has a responsibility to outline how it will prevent Qantas from off-shoring its workforce.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The first bit is wrong, for the reasons outlined above. The second is right, because it&#8217;s only through political rather than industrial action that a serious challenge can be posed to Qantas&#8217; aim of effectively closing down its international operation in favour of joint ventures and subsidiaries which would offshore jobs and radically drive down labour costs.</p>
<p>&#8220;Job security clauses&#8221; would be a useful restraint on this form of aggressive management strategy, but the Australian industrial relations regime simply doesn&#8217;t empower workers to determine or even co-determine management strategy. Nor are the industrial interests of the various workers and unions identical with a political strategy to maintain airlines as providers of an essential public good (which is why, of course, Qantas should never have been sold in the first place). The specious rhetoric of Qantas management about competition and cost needs exposing for what it is (and one benefit, incidentally of arbitration is that it would allow the claims by unions that it has been cost-shifting to make its international operations appear unviable to be tested).</p>
<p>Similarly, we need a debate on whether or not we, like other countries, need to get back into the realm of owning airlines, precisely so that management thuggery can be curtailed and so that public goods can be provided publicly (and no one disputes the financial viability of Qantas&#8217; competitors which are government owned). In other words, we need to resist the logic of the market and contain and constrain it through politics. We need to start reviving the idea central to the social democratic project of de-commodification, of progressively challenging and removing the inexorable logic of the market through collective action, including through action which seeks to utilise and reshape the institutions of the state.</p>
<p>That option exists, and it exists precisely because public suspicion of corporate behaviour and the excess involved in capitalism is fast reviving. It may well be that these hopes are incapable of fulfilment by the Australian political class. But it&#8217;s a disappointment that The Greens, in the persona of Adam Bandt, are chasing a rabbit down a bolthole by trying to score political points against the Labor government. Much more worthy of highlighting would be the mechanisms I mentioned in <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2011/10/30/qantas-dispute-how-joyces-actions-could-backfire/">my post on Saturday</a> which Bob Brown himself has sponsored, through amendments to the Qantas Act, which might usefully and fruitfully challenge corporate power.</p>
<p>By contrast, the argument that the bargaining period should be continued (and the Dr_Tad corollary that this would necessarily lead to victory for the unions) seems to me not making the perfect the enemy of the good, but the unachievable the enemy of the ambivalent. That ambivalence is best ended by continued political action around the central issues at stake here: the need to rein in and constrain aggressive market capitalism in the interests of workers and the public good.</p>
<p><strong>Update</strong>: Adam Bandt <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2011/10/31/why-adam-bandt-is-largely-wrong-about-the-qantas-dispute/#comment-343736">responds</a> in the thread and I <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2011/10/31/why-adam-bandt-is-largely-wrong-about-the-qantas-dispute/#comment-343773">respond</a> in turn. I&#8217;d also observe that there&#8217;s a fair amount of extremely valuable and useful information in the thread from some commenters on the precise context of the use of various powers available to FWA under the <em>Fair Work Act</em>, which has been helpful to me in further informing my understanding of what is still relatively unsettled territory under a bargaining regime and legal framework that is, in some ways, novel. It adds nuance and substance to the debate, but I&#8217;m yet to be persuaded that I should shift from the broader political points made in the original post.</p>
<p><strong>NB</strong>: Comments strictly on topic, please. All general comments about the Qantas dispute can go on <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2011/10/30/qantas-industrial-action-open-thread/">the recent roundtable thread</a>. All comments I regard as being unresponsive to the post will be removed without warning, and correspondence won&#8217;t be entered into. Please note that I won&#8217;t be moderating constantly, but I reserve the right to return and remove comments retrospectively.</p>
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		<title>New Senate roundtable&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 03:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As the ABC breathlessly notes, the Greens now hold the Senate balance of power. A number of Senators have left, most notably Steve Fielding. Of the departures from the major parties, perhaps the most significant is Nick Minchin; Crikey has [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the ABC breathlessly notes, the <A HREF="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/07/01/3258604.htm">Greens now hold the Senate balance of power</A>.  </p>
<p>A number of Senators have left, most notably Steve Fielding.  Of the departures from the major parties, perhaps the most significant is Nick Minchin; Crikey has <A HREF="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/page/2/">the valedictory speeches</A> of the departing Senators, many of which are worth a read.  Nick Xenophon remains, but his influence is much diminished.</p>
<p>Bernard Keane predicts that the results of the new Senate makeup will be  <A HREF="http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/07/01/expect-the-unexpected-from-a-greener-senate/">hard to predict</A>.  </p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p><B>UPDATE:</B> <A HREF="http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/opinion/editorial/general/greens-learn-from-history-on-handling-balance-of-power/2213265.aspx?storypage=0">Andrew Bartlett&#8217;s view</A>.</p>
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		<title>Coalition to preference Greens last in Victorian lower house seats</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Coalition intends to give The Greens their last preference in all Victorian lower house seats, a change from their normal policy of preferencing Labor last. This significantly reduces The Greens&#8217; chances in seats (at least 2, perhaps up to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Coalition intends to give The Greens their last preference in all Victorian lower house seats, a change from their normal policy of preferencing Labor last.</p>
<p>This significantly reduces The Greens&#8217; chances in seats (at least 2, perhaps up to 6) that they appeared likely to take from Labor in Melbourne.</p>
<p><a href="http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2010/11/14/of-course-the-liberals-prefer-the-right-wing-labor-party-to-the-progressive-greens/">An Onymous Lefty comments</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>This very clever own-goal by the Libs means that the ALP doesn’t have to choose between preserving the seats of a few cabinet ministers from being replaced by Greens lower house MPs, and concentrating its resources on fighting the Liberals in Lib/ALP marginals – which it would’ve had to do if the Libs had preferenced against their old enemy. It would’ve had to decide between concentrating on fighting the Libs and risking losing some lower house seats to the Greens (which wouldn’t stop it governing, but which would lose it some ministers), or fighting on two fronts. Now it doesn’t. Now the risk of the ALP seriously damaging itself in order to hold back the Greens is greatly reduced.</p></blockquote>
<p>Presumably, from the point of the Liberals, it&#8217;s a high stakes gamble on a Coalition majority. For the opposition to win, they need to take 13 seats from Labor, rather than rely on Labor losing some to The Greens.</p>
<p><b>Update</b>: Both stories are pay-walled, but <i>Crikey</i> writers <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/11/15/poll-bludger-greens-vic-hopes-in-tatters/">William Bowe</a> and <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/11/15/what-do-the-victorian-liberals-think-theyre-up-to/">Charles Richardson</a> believe that The Greens are still in with a real chance in Melbourne and Richmond.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 22:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest Newspoll has arrived without the fanfare usually sounded, which is probably a good thing on balance. It shows the two major parties tied on 50% of the 2PP. Primary votes for both the Coalition and Labor are down from the election, with support for The Greens and &#8220;others&#8221; up. I suspect the truth of it is that we&#8217;re seeing a difference between election results and the sampling in Newspoll, and the actual state of public sentiment hasn&#8217;t moved since August 21, but the only real point of interest is that even <i>The Australian</i> is reporting the poll as a validation of the Independents&#8217; choice.</p>
<p>On that, 48% of respondents <a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/major-parties-deserted-for-independents-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1225921514456">believed</a> Labor should form a government as opposed to 36% for the Coalition. That suggests it&#8217;s really only Liberal and National partisans who are of the view that they ought to have formed a government, though as <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/09/13/essential-liberal-voters-unhappy-with-outcome-really-unhappy/">Essential Research</a> found yesterday, they hold that view very strongly.</p>
<p>Essential also had the two major parties on 50-50 two party preferred.</p>
<p>At any rate, this should throw a spanner in the works of the &#8220;Election Now!&#8221; crowd. I imagine News Limited will get on with their campaign of writing non-stories about &#8220;extreme Green&#8221; policies threatening the Labor government&#8217;s stability. </p>
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		<title>Quick Link: Pure Poison on the OO on The Greens</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pure Poison notes an Opposition Organ (how nice is it to be able to continue to say that?) editorial with lots of bad advice for Julia and a remarkably candid comment on the paper&#8217;s attitude to The Greens. From the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pure Poison notes an Opposition Organ (how nice is it to be able to continue to say that?) editorial with lots of bad advice for Julia and a <A HREF="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2010/09/09/the-australian-announces-that-it-wants-to-destroy-the-greens/">remarkably candid comment</A> on the paper&#8217;s attitude to The Greens.  From the editorial:</p>
<blockquote><p>Greens leader Bob Brown has accused The Australian of trying to wreck the alliance between the Greens and Labor. We wear Senator Brown’s criticism with pride. We believe he and his Green colleagues are hypocrites; that they are bad for the nation; and that they should be destroyed at the ballot box. The Greens voted against Mr Rudd’s emissions trading scheme because they wanted a tougher regime, then used the lack of action on climate change to damage Labor at the election. Their flakey economics should have no place in the national debate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Something to file away any time you read anything from the Murdoch press on the topic.</p>
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		<title>Katter and Milne on Q&amp;A</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/09/06/katter-and-milne-on-qa/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 12:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Q&#38;A tonight came close to living up to its pitch of unpredictability. The representatives of both wings of the political class &#8211; Nick Minchin and Peter Beattie &#8211; looked like going into meltdown as Christine Milne and Bob Katter, for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q&amp;A tonight came close to living up to its pitch of unpredictability. </p>
<p>The representatives of both wings of the political class &#8211; Nick Minchin and Peter Beattie &#8211; looked like going into meltdown as Christine Milne and Bob Katter, for somewhat different reasons, denounced the free trade and deregulatory neo-liberal consensus that has dominated our politics for decades.</p>
<p>Minchin came as close as I&#8217;ve ever seen him to passion: on the topic of not having tariffs.</p>
<p>(It was also interesting to watch his finger tapping as Bob Katter denounced the Coalition&#8217;s record on agriculture. And it was choice to see Katter set Minchin a reading list of De Tocqueville and Mill.)</p>
<p>Minchin&#8217;s argument of last resort was to invoke cheap food.</p>
<p>To return to <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/09/06/polls-polls-polls-and-the-campaign-for-another-election/">my early 20th century British politics parallels</a>, the Liberal party came to power in 1906, after much agitation for agricultural tariffs from within the Tory party, on a cry of &#8220;cheap bread&#8221;. At the same time, of course, that line resonated because wages were stagnant or falling, employment insecure, and the legal rights of trade unions under attack.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always worth asking precisely why cheap food is such a pressing concern.</p>
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		<title>Senate group preference tickets released by AEC</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/08/01/senate-group-preference-tickets-released-by-aec/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 04:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The AEC has released the Senate group preference tickets online. For those who might not be aware of how this works, if you vote &#8220;above the line&#8221; (that is, if you put a 1 in one of the parties&#8217; or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AEC has released the Senate group preference tickets <a href="http://www.aec.gov.au/election/downloads.htm#gvt">online</a>.</p>
<p>For those who might not be aware of how this works, if you vote &#8220;above the line&#8221; (that is, if you put a 1 in one of the parties&#8217; or grouped and ungrouped candidates&#8217; box), then your preferences are allocated according to a ticket lodged with the Electoral Commission.</p>
<p>There is also the option of voting &#8220;below the line&#8221;, but that can be a bit of an ask where there are up to 84 Senate candidates to number sequentially (I think that&#8217;s the largest number this election &#8211; in NSW).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot in them to digest, but commentary so far has focused on two aspects:</p>
<p>(a) The ALP has given its preferences straight to The Greens in Victoria, atoning for the 2004 debacle which saw Steve Fielding elected;</p>
<p>(b) The Democrats in the ACT have preferenced the Liberals ahead of The Greens. No doubt they&#8217;ll not poll well, but in a contest where The Greens have some chance of defeating the incumbent Liberal, every preference is potentially important.</p>
<p><b>Elsewhere</b>: <a href="http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/judge-a-party-by-the-quality-of-its-enemies/">An Onymous Lefty</a>.</p>
<p><b>Update</b>: [by Kim] Lots of easily scannable detail from William Bowe at <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2010/08/01/harvest-time/">The Poll Bludger</a>.</p>
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		<title>The Greens&#8217; national campaign launch</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 00:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Greens will be launching their campaign from Canberra today at 12.30 AEST. I&#8217;m hoping it will be shown live on ABC News 24, and if it is, I&#8217;ll be live tweeting the launch here and using the hashtag #greens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Greens will be launching their campaign from Canberra today at 12.30 AEST. I&#8217;m hoping it will be shown live on ABC News 24, and if it is, I&#8217;ll be live tweeting the launch <a href="http://twitter.com/LarvatusProdeo">here</a> and using the hashtag <a href="http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23greens">#greens</a>.</p>
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		<title>On the election trail</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Continue your discussion of the opening salvos in the active election campaigns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continue your discussion of the opening salvos in the active election campaigns.</p>
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		<title>Assessing Julia Gillard as PM</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 02:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of pollsters have been very quick to assess public support for Julia Gillard and Labor, after her unprecedented ascension to the Prime Ministership. Possum has all the details of the latest Galaxy and Nielsen polls, both showing a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of pollsters have been very quick to assess public support for Julia Gillard and Labor, after her unprecedented ascension to the Prime Ministership. Possum has all the details of the latest Galaxy and Nielsen polls, both showing a substantial increase in the ALP primary vote, in <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2010/06/26/first-gillard-polling/">this post</a>.</p>
<p>But he cautions:</p>
<blockquote><p>The first thing to mention about these polls is what they don’t measure. As a result of them being in the field on Thursday night in the case of Galaxy and both Thursday and Friday nights in the case of Nielsen – they wont be measuring a proper voting intention, but instead measuring an initial public reaction. We’ll have to wait for a week or so for the phrase “Prime Minister Gillard” to sink into the public brainspace before we can start to get a confident grip on the voting intention fallout.</p>
<p>As a result, don’t be surprised to see quite a large variation in polling results over the next polling cycle.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of great interest also is the fact that a majority of Galaxy respondents believe that the ALP made a bad decision forced by panic, with a larger majority believing that Julia Gillard shared responsibility with Kevin Rudd for decisions of the Government.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t think that the ALP has made <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/06/24/rudd-v-gillard-gillards-communication-problem/">a persuasive case</a> for the manner and speed with which Kevin Rudd was removed as PM. <span id="more-13519"></span>Interviews with <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2936525.htm">Nicola Roxon</a> and <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2937675.htm">Chris Bowen</a> on successive nights on <i>Lateline</i> show this. People can recite the verities of the Westminster system all they like, but the reality of presidential campaigns in modern Australian politics is that electors feel they are choosing between candidates for PM as well as parties. There&#8217;s a lot of evidence that there is real hurt and shock at the way in which Kevin Rudd met his political Waterloo in the electorate, a sentiment acknowledged by Julia Gillard herself.</p>
<p>Retrospectively validating the decision through the evidence of two polls must be tempting for Labor figures, but I&#8217;d return to <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/06/24/my-piece-at-the-drum-on-the-political-execution-of-kevin-rudd/">my earlier point</a> about polls representing a snapshot of static public opinion. And my argument about the dangers of staking everything, including the weighty matter of who should lead our country, on the next poll.</p>
<p>The leadership change may have brought those voters Possum characterises as &#8220;skeptical partisans and ordinarily soft voters back into the fold&#8221;. But the underlying reasons why those voters left Labor haven&#8217;t gone away. The rhetoric from Gillard and others in the ALP holds out inconsistent hopes &#8211; for a &#8216;tougher&#8217; or a more humane line on asylum seekers and &#8220;border security&#8221;, for an end to a divisive tax debate and for mining companies paying a fair share of taxation, for action on climate change and for a deferral on an ETS until there is &#8220;consensus&#8221;.</p>
<p>At this stage, disillusioned voters can take their pick as to whether they believe Gillard will move government policy on the great issues of the day in their preferred direction. But not everyone can have what they want, and these circles simply can&#8217;t be squared so as to render disparate voting groups simultaneously happy for very long. The government must act, and must decide, and which way those decisions go will be the true test of Julia Gillard as Prime Minister in the lead up to an imminent election.</p>
<p><b>NB</b>: Previous discussion of the Labor leadership challenge on LP is <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/tag/labor-leadership/">here</a>.</p>
<p><b>Elsewhere</b>: <a href="http://mumble.com.au/?p=2670">Mumble</a>, <a href="http://whatthepeoplewant.net/polls-blog/june-2010/advantage-but-no-honeymoon.html">What The People Want</a>.</p>
<p><b>Elsewhere</b>: <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2010/06/26/send-off-the-clowns-the-rudd-dumping-and-collapsing-mainstream-politics/">Guy Rundle</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Gillard’s wave of support derived from becoming the first female PM, and Labor at that, will not long survive a rightward turn on asylum seekers, and other ‘necessary’ manouevres. </p></blockquote>
<p><b>Update</b>: Newspoll is <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2010/06/28/newspoll-53-47-to-labor/">out</a>, showing a small increase in the 2PP to 53-48, but a rise of 7 points in the Labor primary vote, largely at the expense of The Greens.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/wrong-reading-of-poll-results-a-primary-failing/story-e6frgczf-1225884950149">Dennis Shanahan</a> proclaims that only he and &#8220;hard heads&#8221; know how to interpret polls, but <a href="http://mumble.com.au/?p=2702">Peter Brent</a> thinks not.</p>
<p>Elsewhere, <a href="http://whatthepeoplewant.net/polls-blog/june-2010/perceptions-of-julia-gillard.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+whatthepeoplewant+%28What+The+People+Want%29&amp;utm_content=Google+Reader">Graham Young</a> details the latest National Forum qualitative polling on Julia Gillard.</p>
<p><b>Update</b>: [by Kim] Essential Research has Labor on 54-46 2PP. <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/06/28/essential-gillard-strengthens-labor-vote-just-like-kevin/">Bernard Keane</a> points out that the sample is a rolling one, so it shows that Kevin Rudd was already pulling Labor&#8217;s primary vote up and attracting voters back from The Greens.</p>
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