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		<title>Fiscal stimulus: Eight economists and a few politicians</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Picking up on Reserve Bank governor Glenn Stevens&#8217; remarks about &#8220;borrowing to invest&#8221; and not being afraid of a deficit if there are good policy outcomes to be had, eight prominent economists (including a couple of blogging ones) have written [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picking up on Reserve Bank governor Glenn Stevens&#8217; remarks about &#8220;borrowing to invest&#8221; and not being afraid of a deficit if there are good policy outcomes to be had, eight prominent economists (including a couple of blogging ones) have written an open letter to Kevin Rudd making suggestions for a further fiscal stimulus under three headings of policy &#8211; Superannuation flexibility, Building the nation and Preparing for climate change. The text is <a href="http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/12/05/an-open-letter-in-support-of-further-stimulus/">here at Troppo</a> (one of the authors is Nicholas Gruen).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s been a bit of press coverage this morning, and no doubt it&#8217;s a worthy thing to stimulate debate by proposing substantive policy measures rather than just advancing critique. It may be an even worthier thing to shift the terms of the debate, regardless of the merits of the proposed policy directions. We don&#8217;t see enough of this sort of initiative.</p>
<p>But I do wonder if the economists stop and think about the political feasibibility of their proposals.</p>
<p><span id="more-7615"></span>The Rudd government does appear to have developed more backbone in holding or advancing a policy line in the face of attack. One good example was the risible attempt to talk a &#8220;Khevlani affair&#8221; out of nowhere, which probably got lost in the Julie Bishop noise (her one original contribution apparently being to think it very clever to argue that there&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/liberals-secondincharge-needs-to-lift-her-game-and-soon-20081204-6rhc.html?page=2">&#8220;whiff of Whitlam&#8221;</a> about the Rudd government.) Trying to articulate together a bit of dog-whistling about the Middle East and memories of State Banks and the Whitlam era with the deficit/debt line was always a complex message and rather dumb politically at that, and I suspect that the Liberals are trying to persuade themselves of the Whitlam comparison in the hope that the Rudd government will be short lived (apparently forgetting Gough was re-elected to a second term.) What was really at issue was a technical (and rather neat) solution to a problem state governments have with bonds in accessing debt. Wayne Swan may have been reading the Fin Review last weekend and noticed unnamed bankers and execs bemoaning the fact that he worried about what Malcolm Turnbull said at all, as &#8220;no one else did&#8221;, but in any case, he made it clear that if he decided an infrastructure bank was a good idea, he wouldn&#8217;t be deterred by the opposition&#8217;s politicking.</p>
<p>Now, no doubt one could have all sorts of fun thinking up possible opposition attacks on the proposals of the eight economists, but that&#8217;s not the only political point here. They also have to pass muster through the gate of the government&#8217;s own political imperatives. While <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/national/pensions-to-rise-as-super-is-reviewed-20081205-6sh3.html?page=2">super is in the policy review mix</a>, it would be a difficult sell to cut super &#8211; even temporarily and with the promise of more cash in hand from wages. Super, after all, is one of the pressure points &#8211; along with household wealth &#8211; where the global financial crisis really does have an immediate impact on voters&#8217; psyches. And the temporary nature of the proposal is also problematic &#8211; I can hear employer associations screaming already that they&#8217;d have to maintain wages at the higher level employees had enjoyed and pay more in super when contributions rose. &#8220;Here, have some more money to spend for a while, but then we&#8217;ll force you back into saving it&#8221; &#8211; not the easiest of inducements, I&#8217;d have thought.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m refraining from comment on the merits of the proposals themselves &#8211; except to observe that I think some sort of independent fiscal policy is a fundamentally anti-democratic idea. And I&#8217;d also suggest that technocratic worthies have hardly distinguished themselves over the last little while &#8211; whether here, in America or elsewhere. But, again, this is just not the sort of thing any government is going to do.</p>
<p>It may well be that the economists in question think it&#8217;s better to advance such ideas in their policy purity before the game of sifting and compromise starts being played, but conversely, whether or not that game even begins is surely dependent on the initial political appeal and defensibility of such ideas.</p>
<p><b>Elsewhere</b>: <a href="http://economics.com.au/?p=1906">Joshua Gans</a> and <a href="http://www.catallaxyfiles.com/blog/?p=3899">Catallaxy</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s out today. LP bloggers will have more during the day as it&#8217;s digested, but here&#8217;s an open thread for instant analysis and commentary. Please also feel free to link in comments to other posts or articles.</p>
<p>By way of preview, a number of climate scientists have released an open letter to Kevin Rudd (text <a href="http://www.science.unsw.edu.au/ruddletter">here</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>The Garnaut Review concluded that an emission reduction target for Australia of 25% below 1990 levels by 2020 would be an equitable contribution to the international effort required to achieving this outcome. As a group of Australia&#8217;s leading climate change scientists, we urge you to adopt this target as the minimum requirement for Australia&#8217;s contribution to an effective global climate agreement.</p></blockquote>
<p>In <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Garnaut-Report/20080929-Aussie-big-business-emissions-trading-catastrophe.html">Crikey</a> yesterday, Bernard Keane contrasted the apocalyptic prophesies of doom emanating from business with the rather lame reality of the government&#8217;s proposals to date.</p>
<blockquote><p>Nightmare stuff. Imagine how bad it would be the Government had actually proposed a serious effort to reduce our carbon emissions?</p></blockquote>
<p>As Keane notes in <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Garnaut-Report/20080929-Australia-faces-higher-costs-from-climate-change.html">another article</a>, the release of the Treasury modelling today:</p>
<blockquote><p>should provide a welcome corrective to much of the hysteria generated by modelling commissioned by rentseeking industry groups.</p></blockquote>
<p>Keane also observes that Garnaut will be talking about adaptation strategies and costs in this report as well.</p>
<p><b>Note</b>: Related <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/09/29/lowy-poll-06-redux/">post</a> from dk.au on public opinion, polls and climate change.</p>
<p><b>Update</b>: The report has now been released and can be downloaded from <a href="http://www.garnautreview.org.au/domino/Web_Notes/Garnaut/garnautweb.nsf">here</a>.</p>
<p><b>Update</b>: From Crikey, <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Garnaut-Report/20080930-Garnaut-One.html">Bernard Keane</a> on Garnaut at a glance and <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/Garnaut-Report/20080930-Clive-Hamilton-politics-trumps-science-in-Garnaut-report.html">Clive Hamilton</a> on politics trumping science.</p>
<p><strong>Elsewhere</strong> [dk.au]:  Barry Brooks is also running an <a href="http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/09/30/garnaut-climate-change-review-final-report-open-thread/">open thread at his blog Climate Dilemma</a> [ht: Peter Wood in comments]</p>
<p>Joshua Gans comments <a href="http://economics.com.au/?p=1793">on Chapter 14</a> (TEEIIs) which he argues is  &#8220;dramatically superior&#8221; to the Green Paper solution of free permits.  He also renews his call for border adjustment taxes:</p>
<blockquote><p>In my opinion, it would be better to bite the bullet and, at least for imports, assess the carbon cost of those imports and tax them. This will get the price signals right and also put pressure on trading partners to put in their own emissions trading schemes so as to avoid that tax.</p></blockquote>
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