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		<title>Rudd government to negotiate with Greens on CPRS?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Australian Greens have written to the Prime Minister suggesting Ross Garnaut&#8217;s interim proposal on carbon trading as a mode of breaking the deadlock on the CPRS legislation. Details are here. On SBS news tonight, Kevin Rudd stated he was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Australian Greens have written to the Prime Minister suggesting Ross Garnaut&#8217;s interim proposal on carbon trading as a mode of breaking the deadlock on the CPRS legislation.</p>
<p>Details are <a href="http://greensmps.org.au/content/breaking-cprs-deadlock">here</a>.</p>
<p>On SBS news tonight, Kevin Rudd stated he was open to negotiations with all parties represented in the Parliament. The current ETS bills obviously have no chance of passage via Liberal votes since Malcolm Turnbull lost the leadership. It&#8217;s intriguing to contemplate Labor reaching an accommodation with The Greens. In many ways, Labor doesn&#8217;t need a double dissolution, as it would increase the prospects of non-major party Senate candidate. The current CPRS has also now lost its utility as a political wedge against the Liberals, and in an election year, there may be some value in Labor being able to demonstrate something has actually been done on climate change.</p>
<p>The sticking point, of course, would still be Senators Xenophon and Fielding.</p>
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		<title>Senator Fielding goes wobbly on climate change</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week Harry Clarke noted that Senator Fielding was heading to the US to attend a delusionist love-in on climate change organised by the Heartland Institute. The Australian Libertarian Society went one better and sponsored the conference, whatever that means. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week <a href="http://www.harryrclarke.com/2009/06/02/als-senator-fielding-go-to-delusionist-love-in/comment-page-1/">Harry Clarke noted</a> that Senator Fielding was heading to the US to attend a delusionist love-in on climate change organised by the Heartland Institute. The Australian Libertarian Society went one better and sponsored the conference, whatever that means.</p>
<p>The resulting condition of the ALS is not known, but <a href="http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2009/05/29/2673/">this thread on their blog</a> gives some idea.</p>
<p>Senator Fielding seems to have come back <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25602205-11949,00.html">with at two least ideas</a>, if that&#8217;s the right term, he didn&#8217;t have before.</p>
<p><span id="more-8520"></span>The first is:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The idea that climate change is a result of the variation in solar activity and not related to the increase of CO2 into the atmosphere is not something that I can remember ever being discussed in the media,&#8221; Senator Fielding says.</p>
<p>&#8220;The question of whether global warming is a new phenomenon or something which is just part of the naturally occurring 1500-year climate cycle was never raised in any of the discussions I have had with the the Rudd government.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>The second is:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Can the minister explain why over the last 100 years, global temperatures have not changed in proportion to the changes in carbon emissions?&#8221; he asks.</p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently he thinks the science on solar activity is compelling, so he&#8217;s off to see the Minister, Senator Wong with some graphs and charts he picked up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2008/s2592131.htm">According to Graeme Pearman</a>, formerly the chief of atmospheric research at the CSIRO, the old solar flare thing has been known about for yonks, and it&#8217;s just not true, ie. the notion that solar flares are the major driving force behind climate change.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit hard to know what he&#8217;s on about with the second, because CO2 has been going up, the temperature has been going up, so what&#8217;s the problem? Does he expect them to track perfectly smoothly? If so he should consult a climate scientist, but he&#8217;s probably picked up an allergy to believing real scientists.</p>
<p>So he wouldn&#8217;t take any notice of Barry Brook&#8217;s <a href="http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/08/memo-to-fielding-not-the-sun/">attempt to help him out.</a></p>
<p>He runs a blog and has <a href="http://www.stevefielding.com.au/blog/comments/us_fact_finding_tour/">asked for help there.</a> But unless you know exactly what graphs and charts he&#8217;s got in his bundle you are probably wasting your time. And even if you do know, now that he&#8217;s been infected by the delusionist virus, again you&#8217;ll be wasting your time.</p>
<p>When you type a query into google the search software suggests different ways of completing the phrase, including <a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&amp;q=senator+fielding+idiot&amp;meta=&amp;aq=5&amp;oq=senator+fiel">this one for senator Fielding</a> with 34,000 entries. The problem Wong has is that if she wants to veer left with the CPRS legislation and convince the Greens she&#8217;s also got to convince Senator Fielding. That suddenly looks like mission impossible.</p>
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