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		<title>Live tweeting Tony Abbott on the 7.30 Report</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/08/10/live-tweeting-tony-abbott-on-the-7-30-report/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[LP will be live tweeting Tony Abbott&#8217;s appearance on the 7.30 Report tonight here. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s an agreed hashtag, so following #ausvotes might be best to get a sense of what people on Twitter are saying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LP will be live tweeting Tony Abbott&#8217;s appearance on the 7.30 Report tonight <a href="http://twitter.com/LarvatusProdeo">here</a>. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s an agreed hashtag, so following <a href="http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23ausvotes">#ausvotes</a> might be best to get a sense of what people on Twitter are saying.</p>
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		<title>To the beat of a different drum</title>
		<link>http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/12/08/to-the-beat-of-a-different-drum/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With a fair bit of ado, the ABC launched its new opinion website, The Drum, on Monday. It&#8217;s edited by Jonathan Green, formerly of Crikey, to whom congratulations are due, as they are to Sophie Black who&#8217;s had a very [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With a fair bit of ado, the ABC launched its new opinion website, <i><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/thedrum/">The Drum</a></i>, on Monday.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s edited by Jonathan Green, formerly of <i><a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/">Crikey</a></i>, to whom congratulations are due, as they are to Sophie Black who&#8217;s had a very well deserved <a href="http://wotnews.com.au/news/Sophie_Black/">promotion to the top gig</a> at that thing on the internet.</p>
<p>Margaret Simons, writing at her <i>Content Makers</i> <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/contentmakers/2009/12/08/opinion-analysis-and-the-abc/">blog</a>, discusses two inter-related aspects of this ABC initiative. She first riffs on a <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/08/2764585.htm?site=thedrum">piece</a> by Media Watch&#8217;s Jonathan Holmes, which questions the distinction between analysis and opinion, which apparently grounds the ABC&#8217;s dictates to its own journos (&#8220;analysis good, opinion bad&#8221;). Simons then looks at the cult(ure) of personality attached to high profile journos, and questions whether non-witty, non-pretty, non-Tweeting writers are perhaps missing out in a new age of &#8220;audience engagement&#8221;. She also worries about objectivity, which is another distinction which is hard to maintain.</p>
<p>All these are worthy points for discussion, though I&#8217;d also be interested in what people think of the quality of the writing and analysis to date. I&#8217;ve already noted some <i>Crikey</i> writers, such as Greg Barns, who may have come across with Green, featured (though Barns does have a tendency to pop up in a lot of places). Whether the ABC should cast its remit rather wider is another issue &#8211; which, of course, circles back to the glam/Twitter/name issue&#8230;</p>
<p>My own view is that it&#8217;s harder than some might assume to find good writers with different takes. It might well be that identifying, developing and mentoring such new voices would be a most valuable contribution. But that&#8217;s almost a full time publishing/editorial gig in itself, and it may be incompatible with the ABC&#8217;s desire to have an immediate impact. We shall see.</p>
<p>It might also be something we could make a small contribution to here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>The media, social media and the Liberal thrills and spills</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having talked to a few friends over the last few days who aren&#8217;t political junkies (but are more taken with politics than perhaps the average voter), I&#8217;m not at all convinced that the Liberal leadership shenanigans are of anywhere near [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having talked to a few friends over the last few days who aren&#8217;t political junkies (but are more taken with politics than perhaps the average voter), I&#8217;m not at all convinced that <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/?s=liberal+leadership+turnbull">the Liberal leadership shenanigans</a> are of anywhere near the same interest to most folks as they are to those of us who&#8217;ve been as transfixed as we become during election campaigns. I&#8217;ve already <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/26/propositions-on-the-liberal-right-week-of-fail/">commented</a> that there&#8217;s a strange forgetting (or perhaps a return to the default truth) among political journalists that politics &#8211; and the nation which will be confronting climate change &#8211; exists outside a few rooms in Canberra.</p>
<p>Similarly, we&#8217;ve seen a classic case of the calling into being of a phantom public in all the emails and texts sent to Liberal MPs &#8211; polarised between categories (&#8220;denialists&#8221;, etc) which hardly have any resonance in most Australians&#8217; vocabularies or lived experience. Yet it&#8217;s taken for reality, and it seemingly has had a real effect in that alternative universe that is the Liberal Parliamentary Party.</p>
<p>So what of the role of the media in all this?</p>
<p><span id="more-11218"></span>With some exceptions, such as <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2756138.htm">Laura Tingle on Lateline tonight</a> (and, for that matter, <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2752512.htm">Annabel Crabb the other night</a>), the legacy media has intoned very predictable scripts (and as I&#8217;ve <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/26/propositions-on-the-liberal-right-week-of-fail/">emphasised</a>, forgotten an alternative one &#8211; &#8220;strong leader stands up to party dinosaurs and appeals over their heads to public&#8221; &#8211; which Malcolm Turnbull has been busily reinscribing).</p>
<p>Even in alternative media, such as <i>Crikey</i>, we&#8217;ve seen Bernard Keane (aside from his strange obsession with talking up virtues few others can see in Andrew Robb) swing from the standard <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/11/26/liberals-explode-turnbull-finished/">&#8220;dead man walking&#8221;</a> talk to <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2009/11/27/liberals-and-leadership/">&#8220;Turnbull is actually going to fight!&#8221;</a>&#8230; why the latter was a surprise, I have no idea. I&#8217;d been <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/24/crash-through-or-crash-what-turnbull-should-do-now/">suggesting some days earlier</a> it was characteristic of his persona, and also politically rational. Yet the commentariat in their massed battalions seemed to anticipate his folding in the face of the Minchin putsch.</p>
<p>As <a href="http://bit.ly/8KnCNS">Andrew Elder</a> asked, could this be the week the journosphere failed?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget Turnbull may win on Tuesday.</p>
<p>What, then, of the frenzied expression of common press gallery wisdom?</p>
<p>Will the shorter Peter Van Onselen still be &#8220;Hockey can unify the party because he&#8217;s Minchin&#8217;s sock puppet&#8221;?</p>
<p>Perhaps the only &#8220;high level sources&#8221; they talk to are the ones who have an agenda. Like I <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/18/of-honeymoons-and-polls/">said recently</a>, it&#8217;s a bit like Imre Salusinszky having his fill of Chinese lunches at various eateries in and around Sussex Street and then retailing the latest goss on who&#8217;s going to overthrow Nathan Rees, only to find that Nathan Rees overthrew his detractors, and no journo saw it coming. Perhaps because something actually happened, as opposed to the endless non-event of leadership talk.</p>
<p>Sometimes politics doesn&#8217;t play to script.</p>
<p>Turning to Twitter, as <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/27/why-rudd-needs-the-cprs-to-be-passed/#comment-839966">Worst of Perth commented here</a>, it&#8217;s been very interesting indeed. For anyone assiduously following this thing, it really has been the best real time news source, and quite amusing and fun too. It&#8217;s very well suited to these sorts of fast moving events, and the degree of inaccuracy and rumour is precisely the same as what makes it into the press and the telly. Not least because a fair bit of it is Sky News as it happens&#8230;</p>
<p>Interesting also to me has been the fact that a lot of the journos in Canberra who&#8217;ve been of greatest value are ones whose bylines are not well known. Maybe they&#8217;re working a bit harder than the tv stars and ubiquitous commentators?</p>
<p>On the other hand, as I&#8217;ve already alluded to, seasoned, intelligent and insightful commentators such as Laura Tingle prepared to buck the herd, whose work in the Fin Review is only available to those who spend 3 bucks on the paper, and who gets less air time than the show ponies, have shown their worth &#8211; as on <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2756138.htm">Lateline</a> tonight.</p>
<p>But, let&#8217;s get all this in perspective.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also significant that while <a href="http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23spill">#spill</a> is now the most popular tag on Australian Twitter, the fifth is <a href="http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23xmedialab">#xmedialab</a> &#8211; which is a discussion about a cross media conference that is on in Sydney at the moment. This medium doesn&#8217;t have much of a reach, and it has less of a reach than blogs, and slower moving media generally. And that may be because a lot of people are simply not interested in the scoop of the second (83 new tweets since you started searching).</p>
<p>At the same time, the core audience of political junkies, if Twitter is any indication, haven&#8217;t been clicking through to MSM stories at all. As <a href="http://twitter.com/feneleyinlondon">Stephen Feneley</a> commented at #spill, journos tweeting is a double edged sword.</p>
<p>That&#8217;ll be related to a shift where those who are most engaged around issues are finding their own spaces to interact, often private &#8211; lots of the old core of the web is shrinking as people highly attuned to particular communities of interest resort to discussing their own take on stories on social media sites such as Facebook without even looking at actual media reports, preferring to rely on others&#8217; quick summaries of links through social distribution. Whether or not this becomes a wider trend is, at this stage, moot, but something is underway. But it replicates ancient social and cultural patterns &#8211; talking about stuff you&#8217;ve heard, which is different from silent reading, or even a more organised and structured discussion of what is read. The first is Twitter writ large.</p>
<p>Both practices have their value, but the assumption that reading and reflection is superior has had its day, unless it&#8217;s a normative pronouncement as opposed to a description of social reality.</p>
<p>So there may be a role for slow and fast in this fast moving media world. But slow needs to catch up, and fast needs to slow down and be more reflective if it&#8217;s to compete with the best of slow.</p>
<p>But that needs to be understood, and the limits of the publics who are both being invoked and created through these discourses have to be recognised too.</p>
<p>I will say that it is a bit of a worry that a heap of stuff that needs to have been factored in, including but not limited to the actual policy shift involved in the CPRS amendments, <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/27/china-commits-to-quantities-in-emissions-reduction/">what&#8217;s happening elsewhere in the world in the lead up to Copenhagen</a>, the new dimensions of climate change, and even <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/27/why-rudd-needs-the-cprs-to-be-passed/">what the government has at stake</a>, has completely dropped off the radar. At LP, we&#8217;ve tried our best to keep that stuff in focus. But it&#8217;s been slim pickings anywhere else, with only a few distinguished exceptions such as <i><a href="http://newmatilda.com/2009/11/24/emissions-trading-deal">New Matilda</a></i>.</p>
<p>Some lessons need to be drawn from all this which transcend the tired dichotomies of legacy and social media, and I hope they will be.</p>
<p><b>Ps</b>: LP can be followed on Twitter <a href="http://twitter.com/LarvatusProdeo">here</a>.</p>
<p><b>Elsewhere</b>: <a href="http://gatewatching.org/2009/11/27/all-atwitter-social-media-and-the-liberal-leadership-crisis/">Axel Bruns at Gatewatching</a>.</p>
<p><b>Update</b>: <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/28/newspoll-coalition-wipeout-in-cities-if-they-go-down-denialist-road/">The Newspoll results</a> analysed tonight certainly suggest a disjunction between press commentary and voters&#8217; sentiments, and indeed, the view from the Canberra political class and Liberal voters in the cities.</p>
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		<title>LP on Facebook and Twitter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Phil observed recently, LP has joined the Twittersphere. We can be found here. We&#8217;ve also revamped our Facebook presence, supplementing and eventually replacing our group with an FB Page. As many of you will know, pages offer better functionality [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/11/09/lp-on-twitter/">Phil observed recently</a>, LP has joined the Twittersphere. We can be found <a href="http://twitter.com/LarvatusProdeo">here</a>.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve also revamped our Facebook presence, supplementing and eventually replacing our group with <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Larvatus-Prodeo/#/pages/Larvatus-Prodeo/174610841294?ref=mf">an FB Page</a>. As many of you will know, pages offer better functionality &#8211; with wall posts appearing in people&#8217;s live feed. And they avoid the weird FB rule that you can&#8217;t be in more than 300 groups (what is with that?)&#8230;</p>
<p>So we&#8217;d love to see you in these other nodes of the social media thang!</p>
<p><b>Update</b>: The Facebook page now has a simplified url. Find us <a href="http://www.facebook.com/larvatusprodeo">here</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[In discussing Joe Hockey&#8217;s latest musings on the need for tens of billions of dollars of spending cuts yesterday, I wondered whether the Libs had conceded the next election, and were trying to position themselves for the one after. I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2009/09/10/a-two-term-strategy/">discussing Joe Hockey&#8217;s latest musings on the need for tens of billions of dollars of spending cuts yesterday</a>, I wondered whether the Libs had conceded the next election, and were trying to position themselves for the one after. I also speculated that it might just be random, and that to imagine that the opposition had a coherent political strategy might be to impose a bit too much form on chaos.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting <a href="http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Failure-of-the-opposition-pd20090911-VRSTL?opendocument&amp;src=rss">piece</a> by Alister Drysdale in <em>Business Spectator</em> this morning, which rips into the Liberals:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is no sign whatsoever of alternative public policy – just oppose. For Rudd, Gillard and Wayne Swan the Opposition modus operandi – exemplified by Question Time idiocy – must give them not a moment’s lost sleep. They’ve been lashed by the proverbial wet tram ticket, and feel no pain. And for that, we all lose. </p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Drysdale&#8217;s work, but it&#8217;s interesting to see this sort of critique in a publication targeted at a business/finance readership. The alienation between business and their natural political allies is one of the most interesting and least analysed stories of the Rudd incumbency.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also ironic to see John Howard <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26056598-601,00.html">&#8216;stirring from his sick bed&#8217;</a> to denounce Labor in opposition for, well, opposing. (Not that I think the great debate <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26055354-7583,00.html">Dennis Shanahan and his mates claim is occurring on Kevin Rudd&#8217;s latest red rag to the bulls</a> is pre-occupying public attention).</p>
<p>For all the claims from the Libs and their media mates that Rudd and co are pre-occupied by the media cycle, it&#8217;s clear that Labor has successfully laid down a narrative and shaped public opinion. Drysdale&#8217;s argument is that the Liberals are narcissistically obsessed with popping up on Sky News and tweeting to political tragics, and have eschewed all the things oppositions should do in favour of playing to the press gallery&#8217;s short attention span. He&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>No wonder <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/09/10/polling-distributions-when-landslides-become-normal/">the polls never perceptibly budge</a>.</p>
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