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8 responses to “Climate clippings 68”

  1. Huggybunny

    Like I once said; when the storm surge rolls up wall street, drowns a few thousand Banksters and market wankers we will see some action on climate change mitigation. Until then nada.

  2. quokka


    I don’t doubt the value or moral worth of being rid of the wall street banksters, but the climate problem runs even deeper and is even more intractable than the banksters problem.

    This chart says it all:


    India’s per capita electricity consumption is about a quarter of the world average and it is projected to be the most populous nation in the world. Other nations with large and growing populations are also grossly energy poor. While it is possible to believe that energy consumption of developed nations may level off or even decline a bit, it is not credible that much of the developing would will not strive to get somewhere near world average electricity consumption. With or without Wall St.

    And they are not going to pay substantially over the odds (consistent with security of supply) to get there. That does not necessarily mean coal, but for those developing nations that have large reserves the prospects of them leaving it in the ground regrettably look slim. Interestingly, Bangledesh and Vietnam both poor nations without large coal reserves are electing for some nuclear. I suspect concerns about the future cost of imported coal and it’s attendant transport infrastructure have more to do with that decision than do environmental concerns.

    I fear that in the absence of a universally cheaper alternative to coal without a carbon price, we are in for a lot more coal burning yet. It really does look bleak.

  3. quokka

    Looking at that previous chart a little differently, India’s per capita electricity consumption has increased about six fold in forty years. There’s no stopping that trend – yet.


  4. Fran Barlow

    Worls’s largest offshore windfarm opens in UK

    Walney actually consists of two separate projects: Walney 1, which was completed in May 2011, and the just-finished Walney 2. The project, which is a joint venture between DONG Energy, SSE and OPW, has actually set a few industry records, including the fastest construction time for an offshore wind farm—five months and 13 days for the Walney 2 portion. In all, the wind farm consists of 102 3.6-MW Siemens turbines, and will generate enough electricity to power 320,000 households annually.

    That’s an impressive achievement in construction terms, whatever one thinks of the usefulness of windfarms.

    Dong also has an even larger offshore wind project in the works: the 400-MW Anhoult wind farm off the coast of Denmark, expected to be completed by the end of 2012. The Danish state-owned company is also working with Danish wind turbine manufacturer Vestas to build a pilot project using a 7-MW wind turbine.

  5. wilful

    The other problem I have with increasing sea levels is that they don’t jsut magically stop at 2100. That’s not some point where the climate gods go “right we’ve caused enough havoc, lets knock off now”. 1 metre or 2 metres by 2100 is still just heading towards 7 metres or 25 metres eventually.

  6. Fran Barlow

    Wilful said:

    The other problem I have with increasing sea levels is that they don’t jsut magically stop at 2100.

    That’s a point that is often overlooked, and it applies equally to temperature. Even in the unlikely event that industrial-era warming is kept to +2DegC, it will continue to rise slowly for quite some time unless humanity manages to push atmospheric concentrations back down to about 280ppmv.

    The broader point is that while most people would doubtless, if asked, pay lipservice to the idea that people in the 22nd century have interests that we in the early 21st should not subvert, very few spend time in practice even thinking about people that far in the future, leave aside worrying if we are doing right by them.

    It’s hard enough to get people worrying about the interests of people living in 2012 in places remote from our shores who don’t speak a European language. Even 2050 seems, to most I fear, a very long time away.

  7. Keithy

    @ 2, this graph shows an unsustainable trend i.e. the sonic boom in Australia will not last much longer and therefore Australia needs to prepare for post-sonic-boom-times!!

    This may not be a bad thing,… but the moral is change is coming sooner rather than later: …from the simple fact that this graph shows next-to-exponential-growth and we all know this can’t happen in the long term in the real world! “SHORT TERM TRENDS ARE DEMONSTRATABLY RANDOM!” = INVESTMENT 101
    NB: Bottlenecks are something the bloke from BEYOND ZERO talks about incessatly at his public lectures.

    If you get one thing from them it is that BOTTLENECKS RESULTING FROM EVERYONE REALISING AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO EMBRACE RENEWABLE NOW is going to be the issue of the early half of the 21st century….