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17 responses to “Guest post by Linda Carroli: Losing connections”

  1. Terangeree

    The report itself is almost impossible to find on the Qld Govt’s website, and the survey is also very difficult to access.

  2. John Quiggin

    I only found out about this because handbills have been posted all along our bus route (planned for the chop)

  3. Salient Green

    I may have had a ‘male’ look but I didn’t see any reference to population growth as a major cause of conjestion in your post.
    Cities with people shoulder to shoulder have much better public transport but people are still shoulder to shoulder.
    If you accept population growth as a good thing, then you accept a hot, crowded, polluted, resource depleted, dog eat dog existence.

  4. tigtog

    Giving the hella-Spock side-eye/eyebrow-raise at that “‘male’ look” quip, Salient Green (but any further discussion of that tangent should take place on the Overflow thread).

  5. Peter Murphy

    Cities with people shoulder to shoulder have much better public transport but people are still shoulder to shoulder.

    Salient: that’s untrue. Sài Gòn is incredibly densely populated, but has piss-poor public transport – worse than Brisbane. In fact, Brisbane – despite being sparsely populated, has more public transport usage than a lot of American cities.

    “Lack of population density”=”Lack of public transport” is a furthy.

  6. Robert Merkel

    Interesting post.

    I’m obviously not aware of the specifics of the situation in this area, but there are ongoing conversations on a number of transport blogs about general issues that are raised in this post.

    On the issue of connections, I’d like to point to this post by public transport consultant Jarrett Walker about a redesign of Auckland’s transit network.

    As he points out (HT The Urbanist, the network offers more frequent connections between more places at no extra financial cost. The catch – more interconnectors.

    As he puts it:

    But as Aucklanders begin discussing the plan, I hope they stay focused on the core question: Are you willing to get off one vehicle and onto another, with a short wait at a civilised facility, if this is the key to vastly expanding your public transport network without raising its subsidy?

    I don’t know (and given the axe being wielded in Queensland at the moment, I doubt) whether this particular move is just a hasty budget-cutting measure or part of a wider plan to rationalize the network. But more interchanges may not always be a bad thing.

  7. Alexis

    Australians need to divorce themselves from the ‘one trip, one seat’ mentality. Each service making a redundant run into a CBD is one less – assuming funding is constant – available to provide enhanced services where it may be needed: cross-suburb routes, or on denser corridors downtown. I second that anyone interested in tackling transport issues from a network perspective read Jarrett Walker’s blog. He campaigns tirelessly against memes such as the one-seat ride.

  8. emgem

    Australians need to divorce themselves from the ‘one trip, one seat’ mentality.

    While I agree in principle, it can be very difficult in practice. In places like Sydney’s inner suburbs and London, services are very frequent and quite often more than one service will take you to your destination, which makes it very easy to transfer between different routes and forms of public transport. However, most places in Australia don’t have that level of choice. It is one thing to accept the need to transfer services if missing your connection means a 10 or 15 minute delay and quite another if it means a 30 to 60 minute delay.

    The connection problems are why so many people still choose to drive (either directly to work or to their local transportaton hub.)

  9. Robert Merkel

    Indeed, Emgem, connections are a fail if services don’t run frequently.

  10. verity violet

    Im living on the other side of town. We are losing 2 major services linking West End with other social hubs, including 2 major Hospitals. We are also totally losing the one bus that travelled round the back streets of our suburb taking local people to the shops or the ferry, and picking up kids to and from school. This combined with a lack of safe, light operated pedestrian crossings means many kids and old folk will find it more and more dangerous and difficult to make their way from home to school.

    My brief look over the Translink shakeup leads me to see that they have made a conscious decision to only service major routes in and out of the city. The ‘spoke’ approach. This will severely impact the social cohesion and mobility of our communities.

    My road has 3 buses that run along it, the link UQ, major shopping hubs and Hospitals with the communities they serve. If this plan is implemented we will have none. None. These services have run since I first moved here more than 20 years ago.

    Im my more paranoid moments I wonder if it has anything to do with our Labor local councillor, our Labor State MP and our federal Labor (ex PM) MP…

  11. Chris

    However, most places in Australia don’t have that level of choice. It is one thing to accept the need to transfer services if missing your connection means a 10 or 15 minute delay and quite another if it means a 30 to 60 minute delay.

    The implications of that are quite significant. If you want to maximum of a 15 minute delay with one transfer then your services need to run every 7.5 minutes as you could just miss the first bus, followed by just missing the second bus. I only rarely take public transport (when they only come every 15-30 minutes and the trip takes 50% longer than by car its just too much of a waste of time) and I never do if I’d have to transfer buses.

  12. Alexis

    I agree, and I’m suggesting that one possible barrier to increased frequency is the dilution of assets across many infrequent services, rather than using them on fewer, frequent routes designed to connect.
    You can do this without significantly affecting coverage.

  13. Nick Caldwell

    I think I’ve mentioned previously, but the mooted changes seem to explicitly target Griffith University’s Nathan campus for destruction – five bus routes that stop there are simply being removed, or routed away from the campus, and the replacement that actually does have a stop on campus takes a fairly leisurely tour around the suburbs before arriving.

  14. Paul Norton

    That’s about the size of it Nick. The services that we’re told we’ll be able to connect to for Nathan Campus don’t go through the Griffith University Busway Station, thus requiring a walk of 500 metres between the stop at the Transport Department depot and the Busway Station (or vice versa) to connect). The inter-campus shuttle buses by themselves won’t be able to handle all the passengers wanting to connect at the Busway Station.

  15. Nick Caldwell

    Paul, and indeed, it wouldn’t just be a matter of increasing the GU fleet – those single-door buses aren’t well suited to dropping off large numbers of passengers in a timely fashion. You’d also imagine the expensive refurbishment of the Circuit would’ve been planned differently if they’d known that virtually no buses would be stopping there.

    Once again it’s a state government childishly playing silly buggers with peoples’ lives and work, and adults have to pick up the pieces afterwards.

  16. GabrielleH

    One bus route is going to service the suburbs of Annerley, Moorooka, Salisbury, Rocklea travelling along Ipswich Rd from Garden City. It will be more frequent than before. All the Tarragindi and Holland Park West services will be removed. Everyone I know will be severely disadvantaged by this. Old people will have to travel a long way to catch buses and then a long way at the other end. School children will have far more difficulty getting to and from school. University students will have more difficulty getting to both UQ and Griffith on the southside. A review was necessary and some services were inefficient, but putting more buses on Ipswich Rd. seems like madness as a solution, because it is both very overcrowded and very slow moving. The frequent buses will be late and full by the time they get to the inner suburbs.

  17. jane

    I am not a Queenslander, but from what I’ve read above the proposed changes seem idiotic.

    Does the government receive large donations from the fuel industry and auto sales industries?

    Because it seems that more people will be forced off the public transport system and into private car use to get where they want to go.

    My daughter lives in the north east of Adelaide near the North East Road, which is the main bus route. This spoke is augmented with circle lines for people who don’t wish to travel into the city for connecting buses.